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Originally posted by French Connection French Connection wrote:

Is that a joke? I'll be amazed if Ryan would even contemplate such a move down the table, notwithstanding the power of Stour's £££££. I may be wrong though.  Luke Veebel is an absolutely quality player, as are Ricky Aley and Nick Cairns - I've worked with all of them.  It seems to me that the problem at Stour isn't about a few individuals but much broader issue regarding establishing an atmosphere in which players want to and are able to perform at their best. A successful team isn't simply the sum of it's individuals.
You obviously have the inside track here. Do the players not want to play at Stour then?
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FC... Couldn’t agree more with your post. Maybe its time those powers above had a look at the day to day running of the club. Having followed the team recently not many of the players seem very happy or even enjoying the game which is a big shame. Money isn’t everything!
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Well said Scramble, it’s not all about money.
Rumour has it though the players seem a lot happier since that Peterborough game !
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Oh good, but didnt seem that way at Hinckley.. Lets hope it continues to improve!

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It would be quite the thing to see a table laid out by how much teams pay players. But no doubt it would probably reflect on league position in National 1 and 2 as already previously been mentioned. I plan on going to the Hawks game next week which I believe is against Taunton. I’m intrigued to see Goodfellow and Bolster in action for the hawks. Wonder how long Hawks will keep Goodfellow if he’s on loan? Certainly both exciting leagues in both national 1 and 2. Apart from Rams running away with things.
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Originally posted by French Connection French Connection wrote:

Is that a joke? I'll be amazed if Ryan would even contemplate such a move down the table, notwithstanding the power of Stour's £££££. I may be wrong though.  Luke Veebel is an absolutely quality player, as are Ricky Aley and Nick Cairns - I've worked with all of them.  It seems to me that the problem at Stour isn't about a few individuals but much broader issue regarding establishing an atmosphere in which players want to and are able to perform at their best. A successful team isn't simply the sum of it's individuals.

Hey Frenchie, saw Cairnsy and Veebs at training last night, they clearly don't hold you in the same regard as you you do them Wink
Get back to those frog legs and yellow vests you delusional old f%*t LOL
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“Looks like rats deserting a sinking ship with scrum half Adam Shaw leaving Stourbridge. No future club announced but can see a few wanting his signature”
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Originally posted by Lineoutboy Lineoutboy wrote:

It would be quite the thing to see a table laid out by how much teams pay players. But no doubt it would probably reflect on league position in National 1 and 2 as already previously been mentioned. I plan on going to the Hawks game next week which I believe is against Taunton. I’m intrigued to see Goodfellow and Bolster in action for the hawks. Wonder how long Hawks will keep Goodfellow if he’s on loan? Certainly both exciting leagues in both national 1 and 2. Apart from Rams running away with things.


I hope you enjoy your day out at Henley. It’s a lovely family club, which I miss since moving down to Cornwall, which I have been a member since 1972, it’s in my blood. I am planning to go up for the last two home games, so it would be nice to meet up??

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Stour have had a poor year by their standards there is no doubting that. As I said a few weeks ago is it time for a complete change at the club? I definitely agree players don’t seem happy and don’t have the desire I saw in pre season. If you take Nigel, Cairns, Harrison out of that team they would be playing in Midlands Premier next season which is a sad state of affairs for a club like that. Shaw is a classy player and won’t struggle to find another club. It’s a good job there are only 20 players in a match day squad or I think they would be struggling to make up the numbers by the sounds of it.
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Originally posted by Jonny1978 Jonny1978 wrote:

“Looks like rats deserting a sinking ship with scrum half Adam Shaw leaving Stourbridge. No future club announced but can see a few wanting his signature”

How are things panning out at Rugby Jonny ?
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Hey Frenchie, saw Cairnsy and Veebs at training last night, they clearly don't hold you in the same regard as you you do them Wink
Get back to those frog legs and yellow vests you delusional old f%*t LOL
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Wow. And there was me thinking that when they each ran over to say hello and talk to me last Saturday (during the game as well) they actually liked me. How two faced of them. And to think that those two used to be decent, nice, honest young men. Something has obviously happened to disillusion and change them since they've been over there.
And re players not wanting to play for Stour - I've never said that. However I'm certain that many of them are as confused, disappointed and disillusioned over Stour's underperformance this season (and over the last 3 really) as many of us are. That doesn't make for a well motivated squad. With the signings they made in the summer I genuinely thought that they'd be right up there.  I could postulate on possible reasons why this has happened after speaking to a few players, but the only certainty is that it's the coach/DOR's most important job to maximise performance and potential, which usually means keeping a smile on their faces.
And apparently Adam Shaw is going as well now? He was one of the better players last Saturday and is a really quality 9.   
And bravo Senile - I've never been called 'old' or a 'fart' before but I bow to your youth and greater knowledge of running a successful club.
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Originally posted by French Connection French Connection wrote:


Hey Frenchie, saw Cairnsy and Veebs at training last night, they clearly don't hold you in the same regard as you you do them Wink
Get back to those frog legs and yellow vests you delusional old f%*t LOL


Wow. And there was me thinking that when they each ran over to say hello and talk to me last Saturday (during the game as well) they actually liked me. How two faced of them. And to think that those two used to be decent, nice, honest young men. Something has obviously happened to disillusion and change them since they've been over there.
And re players not wanting to play for Stour - I've never said that. However I'm certain that many of them are as confused, disappointed and disillusioned over Stour's underperformance this season (and over the last 3 really) as many of us are. That doesn't make for a well motivated squad. With the signings they made in the summer I genuinely thought that they'd be right up there.  I could postulate on possible reasons why this has happened after speaking to a few players, but the only certainty is that it's the coach/DOR's most important job to maximise performance and potential, which usually means keeping a smile on their faces.
And apparently Adam Shaw is going as well now? He was one of the better players last Saturday and is a really quality 9.   
And bravo Senile - I've never been called 'old' or a 'fart' before but I bow to your youth and greater knowledge of running a successful club.
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I thought our 9 had a good game today. I just hope we under perform every week. How did your lot get on today ?

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So Frenchie and Jonny -  the starting nine pulls out on Friday and despite the unwarranted spite from you pair of bitter 'gentlemen' this discombobulated, disillusioned side put their 13 at nine and run a bench with four fatties and one back and beat the league leaders. ( H.I. gracious in defeat may I add )

FC, how did Stinkley get on today against the mercenaries from the foundry ? Wink

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I'm not sure where the 'spite'came from - I wasn't aware that I had appeared that way at all. It was no great surprise to me that Stour won either - I've said several times on here how good their players are and how puzzled I am as to their under performance this season....and neither was the South-Hinckley result a massive shock either. It seems that in this league anyone can beat anyone most weeks - and I've certainly never seen a season where so many bottom third teams triumph against the top third. 
However I'll stick by everything I've said about the role of money at this level and the correct way to build a sustainable and successful  club - as opposed to just a team
If the cap fits etc etc. ????
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Originally posted by French Connection French Connection wrote:

I'm not sure where the 'spite'came from - I wasn't aware that I had appeared that way at all. It was no great surprise to me that Stour won either - I've said several times on here how good their players are and how puzzled I am as to their under performance this season....and neither was the South-Hinckley result a massive shock either. It seems that in this league anyone can beat anyone most weeks - and I've certainly never seen a season where so many bottom third teams triumph against the top third. 
However I'll stick by everything I've said about the role of money at this level and the correct way to build a sustainable and successful  club - as opposed to just a team
If the cap fits etc etc. ????
Wow, you know such a lot, perhaps you could elaborate on Sustainable and successful please.
If I am not mistaken this is Hinkleys 3rd year at this level, and Stourbridge have been here (or higher) for nearly 20. I wonder if you might have a chat with the director of Rugby at Stourbridge to see if you can't emulate Stourbridge's Sustainability. Oh, and also the successes in National 1.
20 years is a long time to 'not have a team' for and stay at this level
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'Sustainable' involves a club's outgoings on players and coaches being equivalent to their takings each year - things like gate money, dinners, lettings, small sponsors etc etc - which they can pretty much guarantee will be there every year into the foreseeable future. When a club is bankrolled by a rich individual who puts in the majority of the budget himself, that may not be so sustainable.  It's not complicated really.
Stourbridge are one of the biggest clubs in the Midlands and pretty much always have been. Their achievements in the higher levels of the game over the last 20 years have been awesome. It didn't cost anywhere near as much to do it then though. I have absolutely zero idea of how Stour are funded but I'm sure that with their impressive facilities they generate a lot of income.  Please correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe that I've ever said that Stour's operation is unsustainable. That's for the club to decide, as is the issue of whether they're getting value for money from their investment in their squad.  However there was a rumour last week that they are cutting their playing budget substantially next season. Anyone know anything?  
What I do know for certain is that Hinckley's business model is totally sustainable. The reason that the club took their time getting to the level they're at now is that they wanted to make sure that the facilites and organisation off the field - such as the new clubhouse with it's associated revenue generating power - were in place before investing more heavily in players.  Being sustainable nowadays is only partly concerned with their 1st team remaining at a level. If Hinckley were to get relegated, they'd still be there next season and in pretty much the same shape as now, since the operation is sustainable. Again, pretty simple really.
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....and I forgot to add that being sustainable involves a club investing time, money and effort into it's junior system so that as many of them as possible have the chance to play 1st team rugby as possible. At National League level now it's simply not possible for a club to survive with an entire team of home grown talent, but it's certainly realistic to have a number of them. It's important for the juniors and Colts to see a realistic pathway for them into the 1st team.  Hinckley have always put massive importance on this and score highly in that area.
Again, I have absolutely no idea at all of the junior and development system at Stour, nor of the number of home grown players in the senior squad. Perhaps someone could enlighten me.
However I do know for a fact that there are several clubs in Nat 2 who do not do things that way at all. That is entirely up to them, but I would certainly not call theirs long term sustainable model.
I hope that I've elaborated enough. 
 
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I tend to agree with Paul regarding the model at HRFC.
I don't support the club as such (being dragged up in Cov in the middle of the last century, and believing in sticking by one's club, unlike some around there that I won't mention). However, I've lived in and around the town since 1983, and have always taken an interest in the club ( esp as both my sprogs attended Paul's John Cleveland School, and knowing quite a few ex players). I do go to the occasional game up there too.
It's been mighty impressive just how the club have built on their facilities, and thereby their revenues.
Sustainable? Certainly at this level, and maybe at L3 too. I hope to witness them try in the next year or two.
As to Stour - I haven't been there since Cov last played, so can't comment on their progress, but I'd hope they've also improved their lot, as I'm always happy to see Midlands rugby step things up.
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Frenchie, calm down pal, it's all white noise, I've heard rumours....... what a nause.

M8 take a sustainable chill pill and continue to support Stinkley.

Calm yourself down and maybe watch a Netflix series or spend more time talking to your wife or husband. It's gone this thread pal.....just let it go....LOLLOLLOLLOL
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