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    Posted: 04 Nov 2018 at 21:19
Originally posted by sweatysock sweatysock wrote:

Just a general comment on this site - I do enjoy reading people's thoughts on the games they have watched that day , as well as more general views on how the league is developing at both ends of the table - seems to have been a reduction in these sort of posts this season

Oh go on then......let's see if anybody else wants to contribute.

As other posters have implied.....it looks highly likely that the 'new improved' Rams will win the league this year.  My personal belief is that they could have done it with last season's squad, but, whisper it softly, they seem to have recruited in the backs and others, in addition to the estimable Mr Rossiter, are chalking up tries.  That said, they aleady have 6 PT's and their forwards are still outscoring their backs.....with....as per usual the (Raiders-trained) Ben Henderson, getting on the back of a lot of rolling mauls.

Otherwise.....I have seen OA's, Henley, Redruth and Canterbury.  Just my opinion as ever, but I don't think any of these are ready for Nat1.  Indeed, I suspect that whoever comes second in this league this year, may lose at least 10 games and subsequently, be likely to face an away playoff.

As such, it is very difficult to predict who might take this place this year....the good thing is that it will be a hell of a scrap and help maintain interest until, I suspect, the last game. 

Bets on who gets this anyone ?  

As an extension of the above.....there are not too many teams that you might consider mid-table sides this year......even those below halfway could yet mount a promotion challenge.
In direct contrast to last year, if there is one team I think are under-performing....it is TJ's.  Still great defensively but despite more recruitment,  finding TBP's and wins hard to come by ?  They may yet improve. 

The situation at the bottom is yet again, going to be quite intense.  Guernsey, Old Reds and Birmingham, all look pretty good sides and often, hard to beat, with the first two racking up bonus points from tightly contested games.  
Also, the Wild Geese have perked up again after an infusion of young (and large) talent.  Clifton are having another injury crisis and mat get dragged into this.  In addition, BSE are strangely in apparent freefall.  You would think that they have too much in terms of playing talent to get dragged into  relegation battle.....indeed, I think they may have been targeting promotion ?  But nobody is immune in this tough league.  They need to shape up quickly or get drawn in Confused.

Lastly.....my own lot.....Raiders.   WE have played the greater part of the season so far with a squad, savagely depleted by injury.  I'm sure we are not alone in that.  However, it is my belief that if we get missing (key) players back,  I think that perhaps, Rams away, is the only game we could not win.  Watch out if we do TongueWink  We have a multitude of homegrown youngsters and a real cutting edge in attack (IMO).

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The scores on the prediction table are a clue to the competitiveness of this league, so many surprises. Surely Taunton can no longer be considered a cert for promotion, I do not think Redruth want to go up hence some of their odd results. Reds seem week in week out to be consistent. Early days I know but LIWG don't seem to have the squad to stay up as t the other 2 relegation teams any one from any of Bury St Eds who have lost their coach and below. As for my lot top 5 with the way we can play attacking rugby even with players missing
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CelsusLasonIreAnser Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Nov 2018 at 18:38
I'd say Rams look the clear favourites to win the league. However, not sure how they will cope in Nat 1, fear poorly. Their pack will compete but their backs are still distinctly average - and, sensibly, rarely used. Darth are you Rossiter's step dad and/or press officer? Mentioned him several times and I can't say he's in the top 10 wings in this league...:s??

 

At the bottom of the table I do love a romantic fight back but LIWG will go. As will Old Reds. Seems like they are the new 'oooo so close' team. Other than that my pick will be slightly left field and I am going to say Clifton. With the injuries they have and rumours of issues at the top of the food chain it could all fall apart before too long.

 

Barnes seem to have shaken off their yoyo tag this year (hopefully). I was at the game saturday and it was quite the spectacle of attacks. I'd say the combined age of the two 15's could well be the highest in Nat2 S history!!! Although Kingdom does look much better for it than O’Toole - both in ability and looks. 

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There you go Sweaty......24hrs....over 300 views but only two sets of opinions.  It seems that, particularly in the South.....posters are very reluctant to have an exchange of views or make any comment at all.  It is a shame as it is a chance for all of us to learn more about our league.

It does though, seem to have drawn out a Barnes fan.....Celsusetc......tell me Celsus.....are you the chap with the dog Wink

I will apologise at this point for not making mention of either Dings or the ex-yo-yo Barnes.  It is a tough league to come into and both seem to be making a fine fist of it so far.  Initially (I have not seen either team play so far) on the back of outstanding defence, but Barnes seemed to take another step forward on Saturday with their 50pt performance against a very unpredictable Titans side.  V Well done all the same.

Barring savage injuries, both appear for now to be solid mid-table sides.

Celsus.....I think Rossiter is a decent winger but much of what I have said in the past was intended as jocular banter......Rams were such a bizarrely forwards oriented side....albeit playing to their strengths and very very good at it.  When you batter through the middle with such consistency as Rams do,  you often suck defences in and create big overlaps.  I suspect that Rossiter has been a beneficiary of good team play in this manner, on occasion.  WE are not related and if we were, he might be my grandson. Big smile 

Barnes visit the Rugby Park next up......will you be there ?  There is no goose sh*t but we will still make you very welcome. 
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I have a feeling BSE might be on the slide, they seem to have run out of money - judging by the recent decision to part company with their DoR / head coach. They are certainly under achieving IMO.

After last year's good finish it appears TJs are struggling a little this term, despite a couple of high profile signings - not sure why? Second season syndrome perhaps?

Will Guernsey manage enough wins at home to stay up? They don't seem to travel too well.

LIWG looked too good to go down on their visit to Rugby Park, Old Reds seem to pick up points but again can they win enough games?

As for the top, I predicted Rams would win before the season started and see no reason to change that view.

Henley are on an impressive run and may well finish second - but will they do well enough to have a home play-off?

Barnes have had several recent good results with Saturday's big win the latest, as you say they may well get rid of the yo-yo tag.

Has Taunton's normal good start hit the buffers as usual as we approach Christmas?

Redruth were abysmal at Rugby Park, but are normally difficult to beat at home and should be comfortable.

Dings have made a good start to the season - have they an advantage playing on a 3G pitch?

Clifton have lost a few recently, apparently they are suffering with injuries at present.

B&S - I know nothing about, having missed their defeat at Rugby Park due to holidays.

I wasn't overly impressed with OAs the other week - they were very lucky to inflict Worthing's first home defeat of the season but they will probably finish in the top half as will Canterbury who also win enough home games to stay out of trouble.

As for Worthing, they should probably win enough games to finish mid-table.


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Evening Gents,
As I have been to only two games this season, Taunton & Redruth away, Henley are a much improved side this season, especially the pack & defence. The only game we have been outplayed was the second half at Rams, are only home defeat was against TJ’s with the help of the boot of Hawks favourite Will Ribinson. Taunton & Rams still got to come to Henley, early days yet, plenty to play for!!

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Having returned to the league this season it seems to me that the playing field 10 games in is much more level than the last time Barnes were in it when the three money sides of Stortford, Chinnor and OE’s all being predictably top three. Whilst Rams seem everyone’s favourite to win the league, if you can nullify their pack they are beatable. Henley appear to be getting stronger as the season progresses, whilst Canterbury will be there or there about.
At the bottom, well it looks like LIWG and Birmingham are stuck in the mud but a cou0ke of wins on the bounce (like us) and they will be mid table. Whilst ORs are in the bottom three now, they were one of the most impressive sides to visit Barn Elms this season and I think they and Guernsey are both more than capable of scrabbling wins and bonus points here and there. The side that looks in trouble right now is Bury, not sur why, but just as winning becomes a habit so does losing and they need to win soon to halt their slide. It is tough to climb out of that bottom three when you get there, we know! As for Barnes, well it far too early to say we have shrugged off the yo-yo tag, but we have had a good run of late and we all know that that is what it is all about, along with having a deep squad and luck with injuries. We still have several players out or away so fingers crossed they will come back and the current squad stay healthy for the rest of the year. If we reach January in the same position then I will feel more confident of a strong finish as our backs enjoy running on the the harder grounds. Our next game against Worthing at Rugby Road will be tough but we will give it a crack of course!


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Henley fan here, been to all bar one home game this year. I'd say that last weekend's score v Clifton was quite unrepresentative, and to be brutally honest Clifton was probably one of the worst sides I've seen in recent history at DL in terms of fitness and the execution of basics. I think that there were perhaps 5 Clifton line out overthrows, plus a kickoff that didn't go 10, and in the first half I can't remember Clifton having possession in Henley's half for more than one phase (which was a line out overthrow that went straight to Henley). That being said there were a couple of Henley tries that were fairly lucky. Hopefully it was just an off day, otherwise I fear for them. 

With regards to Henley it looks like we have a much stronger pack than last year, and hence should fare quite well over the winter. With the new clubhouse seemingly leading to a much busier bar (the entire clubhouse was packed for the second half of the England game) it looks like things are rosy.

Out of interest, do we know which sides in the division are being bankrolled externally? I assume that 'the Rams' are? It could be interesting next year if Nat 1 have all of Chinnor, Reading, and Henley in.
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Originally posted by FairmileHawk FairmileHawk wrote:


Out of interest, do we know which sides in the division are being bankrolled externally? I assume that 'the Rams' are? It could be interesting next year if Nat 1 have all of Chinnor, Reading, and Henley in.

What do you mean by "Being bankrolled externally?" If you mean via sponsorship then I'd imagine all clubs rely upon that to a greater or lesser degree. 
 

Pretty unlikely that Reading will be in Nat 1 next season Smile 
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Originally posted by Jester10 Jester10 wrote:


Pretty unlikely that Reading will be in Nat 1 next season Smile 
 
Given they are fifteen points adrift of the leaders, I'd say it's also unlikely that Reading will get promotion from Southern Counties North either!
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Originally posted by Jester10 Jester10 wrote:


Pretty unlikely that Reading will be in Nat 1 next season Smile 
 
Given they are fifteen points adrift of the leaders, I'd say it's also unlikely that Reading will get promotion from Southern Counties North either!

Quite a sad state of affairs for a club with a great history, almost mirrors the decline of Lydney in more recent seasons. 
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See a few comments here about Bury’s state of affairs....
The link below will tell you all you need to know, don’t be fooled by what you see when you arrive at the club, fantastic facilities. Run by an extraordinary number of highly committed volunteers, some with good links into the rugby world.
Not exposed to being dependent on a couple of big money men, funds come from well over a hundred sponsors and lots of community events. Currently going through a couple of small set backs, including more injuries than normal, during a long robust journey.
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Rest of league is very difficult to predict, so competitive, my money is on the Rams, the guys running that team have been there a good while and do a great job.

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[QUOTE=honestinjun] Having returned to the league this season it seems to me that the playing field 10 games in is much more level than the last time Barnes were in it when the three money sides of Stortford, Chinnor and OE’s all being predictably top three.

I don’t believe you can class BS a “money side”
No idea what they pay now, but based upon discussions I had with one of their aligados, in their promotion season the wages were nothing special and interestingly the whole matchday squad got the same money.
More like a well coached side with a generation of players with above average ability and of course good connections to higher grade clubs.
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Originally posted by Jester10 Jester10 wrote:

Originally posted by FairmileHawk FairmileHawk wrote:


Out of interest, do we know which sides in the division are being bankrolled externally? I assume that 'the Rams' are? It could be interesting next year if Nat 1 have all of Chinnor, Reading, and Henley in.

What do you mean by "Being bankrolled externally?" If you mean via sponsorship then I'd imagine all clubs rely upon that to a greater or lesser degree. 
 

Pretty unlikely that Reading will be in Nat 1 next season Smile 

What I meant by that was which clubs sourced a very large percentage of their income from one or two far above market value external sponsorships, i.e. a sugar daddy. Much like Chinnor last year.

And you're right, for some reason I had just assumed that 'The Rams' were an offshoot of Reading RFC, not Redingensians. 





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Originally posted by FairmileHawk FairmileHawk wrote:

Originally posted by Jester10 Jester10 wrote:

Originally posted by FairmileHawk FairmileHawk wrote:


Out of interest, do we know which sides in the division are being bankrolled externally? I assume that 'the Rams' are? It could be interesting next year if Nat 1 have all of Chinnor, Reading, and Henley in.

What do you mean by "Being bankrolled externally?" If you mean via sponsorship then I'd imagine all clubs rely upon that to a greater or lesser degree. 
 

Pretty unlikely that Reading will be in Nat 1 next season Smile 

What I meant by that was which clubs sourced a very large percentage of their income from one or two far above market value external sponsorships, i.e. a sugar daddy. Much like Chinnor last year.

And you're right, for some reason I had just assumed that 'The Rams' were an offshoot of Reading RFC, not Redingensians. 




I don't know enough to comment about the funding of any side in this league, or any other league for that matter. 

Rams aren't an off shoot of Redingensians, they are the re-branded name. 
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Its an easy mistake to make though given "The Rams" gives no geographical clue to where the club come from.
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Originally posted by Surreyben Surreyben wrote:

Its an easy mistake to make though given "The Rams" gives no geographical clue to where the club come from.

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Ah - the RFU have parachuted in a new overseas club to the National Leagues to join Jersey and Guernsey. That explains it! ;-)
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Jester10, do you need to take the 2nd R out of your logo now?
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Jester10, do you need to take the 2nd R out of your logo now?
 
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