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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote marigold Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Nov 2020 at 15:01
Brizzer if the Championship goes down the Premiership route with regular testing there should be no problem-although no visiting spectators. If they go down/are sent down due to lack of money, the non testing/Prem 15s route then the Championship may be a club short.........
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Woody Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Nov 2020 at 16:26
If the Championship plays a full season will there still be relegation?
If there is how will the promoted team from the league below be decided since all other league rugby is cancelled?

It sounds like a desperate stretch to try to play a full season to facilitate Sarries going back up as quickly as possible.

What does anyone else have to gain from playing in empty grounds with no income and only a costly loan in return?

Sorry if this has already been answered elsewhere...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Nov 2020 at 16:48
Originally posted by Woody Woody wrote:

If the Championship plays a full season will there still be relegation?
If there is how will the promoted team from the league below be decided since all other league rugby is cancelled?

It sounds like a desperate stretch to try to play a full season to facilitate Sarries going back up as quickly as possible.

What does anyone else have to gain from playing in empty grounds with no income and only a costly loan in return?

Sorry if this has already been answered elsewhere...


Surely, it is for the other Championship teams to block a full season and agree no promotion/relegation if they feel it is all about Sarries.

I don't think there will be many crying up into their beer if Sarries are not back in the Premiership for 21-22 season.
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Originally posted by Mickyboy Mickyboy wrote:

If London is Tier 3. Nottingham and Doncaster were before Lockdown it could be that the season will start with 50% of the sides having no crowds at all. Not sure what Tier other sides were in pre lockdown Bedford were Tier 1 but recent figures not so good will need to wait until Tomorrow. Also not sure of the state of some sides but Bedford only have 11 players at the moment 4 of those are props. 

The infection rates in Nottingham have plummeted, they’re something like fourth or fifth in the 10 highest number of drop in cases. I believe it’s something around 28-29%. They weren’t in Tier 3 last time even when the infection rates were higher- it was talked about but then Boris locked the country down. I’m hoping this is enough for them to go into Tier 2. 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote castleparknight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Nov 2020 at 07:49
I believe the lowest Tier any area will be in after the 2nd December is Tier 2 - but we should know more later as this is being announced today. Positive moves as seen in Nottingham may lead to a further adjustment early in the New Year - so if R rate continues to drop in your area, at a similar rate and isn't adversely affected by Christmas, then you may be in Tier 1 (probably not) by the 16/01/2021 Maire. But Tier 2 would still allow you to attend games at Lady Bay so here is hoping that drop off continues.

The village idjuts in South Yorkshire may well eventually get the message soon - we are seeing a drop off in cases but still have about 2 weeks before that really effects a change on admissions to hospital in the area. Perhaps we might get to Tier 2 for the start of the season but I am not holding my breath - there still seems too many folk around here that think Space, Face, Hands doesn't include them.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (2) Thanks(2)   Quote workerbee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Nov 2020 at 09:49
It is not the message that is the problem but the people that ignore it, or worse use confusion as an excuse to do the right things "Hands -face -Space" what is difficult to understand. It was obvious in the summer when people flocked to the beaches with no space that the second wave was inevitable. If we remain cautious for the next six weeks into the new year we will be ready for the vaccine roll out. What is six months of our lives to the many that have not or will not make it through. 
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Originally posted by workerbee workerbee wrote:

It is not the message that is the problem but the people that ignore it, or worse use confusion as an excuse to do the right things "Hands -face -Space" what is difficult to understand. It was obvious in the summer when people flocked to the beaches with no space that the second wave was inevitable. If we remain cautious for the next six weeks into the new year we will be ready for the vaccine roll out. What is six months of our lives to the many that have not or will not make it through. 

Agree completely. A lot of people are using the supposed lack of clarity as an excuse to break the rules. As you say, the message is pretty clear. However, I think there will be an inevitable spike (even a third wave) following people getting together for Xmas. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Nov 2020 at 11:45
Coventry has dropped from 285 to 198 per 100,000 this week, so progress.
Still likely to be tier two at least though, I would think.
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Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

Coventry has dropped from 285 to 198 per 100,000 this week, so progress.
Still likely to be tier two at least though, I would think.

Tiers are out - Cov are tier 3, as I think are Donny and Nottingham.

Everyone else except Pirates (tier 1) and Jersey (whatever the States decides) are tier 2

going to be interesting to see what needs to be done to keep away fans from tier 3 areas from travelling, and presumably anyone from tier 2 or 3 areas going to Pirates?


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Confirmed that Bedfordshire and Milton Keynes are in Tier2. So Bedford and Ampthill could both have 2000 spectators 
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Originally posted by billesleyexile billesleyexile wrote:

Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

Coventry has dropped from 285 to 198 per 100,000 this week, so progress.
Still likely to be tier two at least though, I would think.

Tiers are out - Cov are tier 3, as I think are Donny and Nottingham.

Everyone else except Pirates (tier 1) and Jersey (whatever the States decides) are tier 2

going to be interesting to see what needs to be done to keep away fans from tier 3 areas from travelling, and presumably anyone from tier 2 or 3 areas going to Pirates?
Never mind the fans, are clubs going to have a viable squad after the Christmas relaxation? 
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Originally posted by Mickyboy Mickyboy wrote:

Confirmed that Bedfordshire and Milton Keynes are in Tier2. So Bedford and Ampthill could both have 2000 spectators 

Bedford I believe has a 5,000 capacity, so 2,000.
But Ampthill i understand is only 3,000, so would be subject to 50% rule. So only 1.500.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Nov 2020 at 13:00
Well, that just killed the 'season' then.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Nov 2020 at 13:09
Interesting that Bedford and Luton have rising cases in the same week that Cov has a large fall.
Quote: "The rate in Luton has risen to 297.1 per 100,00 population in the week to November 19, up from 275.5 in the previous week. In Bedford, the figure rose from 151.8 to 157.5.
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Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

Interesting that Bedford and Luton have rising cases in the same week that Cov has a large fall.
Quote: "The rate in Luton has risen to 297.1 per 100,00 population in the week to November 19, up from 275.5 in the previous week. In Bedford, the figure rose from 151.8 to 157.5.

I wouldn't get too hung up on rates - I can't see anyone moving 3-2* before Christmas, and given what's likely to happen then, the only real question is how many have moved 2-3 by the end of Jan. There's an element of bet hedging in what's just been announced IMO.

*I reckon any moves 2-1 might as well be discounted now. I think a lot of people are going to go slightly OTT in the next couple of weeks, and we're all going to pay for it in the new year.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote castleparknight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Nov 2020 at 13:26
Firstly Well Done Cornwall for remaining in Tier 1

The Nottingham and South Yorkshire data will be reviewed again on the 16th maybe Nottingham will be Tier 2 then. I would be happy for South Yorkshire to be Tier 3 restricted until early New Year and hopefully then go from Tier 2 to eventual Tier 1 and keep it there. 

Worryingly is the data from Bedfordshire as it is going up (big time in Luton!) those impacts are normally felt in hospital admissions two weeks later so probably Tier 3 on the 16th December

Lets fight this blinking virus and get back to semi normal life soon.
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Does anyone know what the "official" Vallis Way capacity is? I understand that they can have 2000 or 50% of maximium capacity. If we play Saracens at home, then I could honestly see that being a consideration for once.

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Think we all need to sit back and wait until the proposed start date comes around as we all know the stats will change by then. If we get a grip now, keep some sort of control over Christmas, then we may be in a better place in Jan/Feb.

The most important thing is that we all do the best that we can and stay safe! 

 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote chas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Nov 2020 at 14:14
Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

Interesting that Bedford and Luton have rising cases in the same week that Cov has a large fall.
Quote: "The rate in Luton has risen to 297.1 per 100,00 population in the week to November 19, up from 275.5 in the previous week. In Bedford, the figure rose from 151.8 to 157.5.

The latest figure for Bedford is 134 cases per 100,000 people in the latest week 15 Nov-21 Nov. The average area in England had 169.
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Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

Does anyone know what the "official" Vallis Way capacity is? I understand that they can have 2000 or 50% of maximium capacity. If we play Saracens at home, then I could honestly see that being a consideration for once.

According to Wiki (caveats noted) it is 4000 with 2200 seated. According to Rugby League, Broncos capacity is 3020 with 1850 seated. Make of that what you will.
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