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    Posted: 27 May 2007 at 10:05
Not making much of the England Sevens job, is he? And his choice of Damudamu now looks pretty ridiculous after yesterday.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 May 2007 at 05:57
I think Mike Friday put his finger on the true problem - the downgrading of 7s mean the new coach gets little or no help getting a squad together.  Also, some of last years squad are now playing for England or Saxons.  Ben thus has to get a new squad together - a bit like AR after 2003.  Give it time, and also consider who could do better (definitely, available, wants the job etc).  Easy to snipe from the comfort of an armchair.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 May 2007 at 17:06
His choice of Damu looks less ridiculous now. Give him a chance!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 May 2007 at 17:40
Especially as the act of kicking the ball away as it was to be touched down was illegal and the try should have been awarded.

The last two games Damu scored three tries and was excellent in defense.
With that said Ben Ryan still has a long way to go to get England back near the top of the sevens circuit. The teams above England seem far more street wise and tenacious in the tackle and the breakdown and if we are to compete with them I feel we will need a bit more bulk.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 May 2007 at 22:52
Until the ball is down it's still in play and CAN be removed from play by whatever method.   Hence the 22 restart.
 
Stupid lad should have put it down instead of kissing the ball and showing off.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 May 2007 at 05:48
True.  Over the years many players have learned the risks of showboating the hard way - lowly clubmen through to top internationals.  Usually it only happens once......
But then, scoring (or not, in this case) your first try at HQ is a bit special.  Don't judge anyone by their one act of silliness.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jun 2007 at 20:42
i agree Baaaaaaarth. Dalesman - that's an unfair comment on a team that seems to have gone thru a fair bit of change, lost loads of players and Ben Ryan has had to do it part time this year.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jun 2007 at 20:43
Dalesman - thats very harsh and without any real knowledge. I have watched england in 7's for last few years and this year in HK, Adelaide and London and now in scotland for tomorrow's tournament. At the weekend they didnt perform against Wales and although Damu should have just put the ball down (I'm told the law though does state in the in goal area you are not allowed to kick the ball out of a players hand so should be a penalty try), that was a pretty important moment. They did win 5 out of 6 games in London and beat South Africa for the first time this year as well as France and made up for their loss against Kenya in Adelaide. Remember, Ben has been part time this year, took over a team that has had a great deal of change and was also affected hugely by the recent player disputes over release in the premiership. Even this year he lost Strettle, Haskell, Brown, Abendenon from Core squad that are supposed to be available for all 8 tournaments but had quickly been accelerated into main england squad. I have read lots of stuff about this year's team and Ryan has not once blamed any of that for their losses as many might have done.
I watched Mike Friday's side win HK last year and i loved it. It was one of the most emotional sporting moments i have seen live. That side had Strettle, Varndell, Tait, Gollings, Henry Paul. That is a side on another level to the one Ben Ryan has now. But people need to understand the onus has changed to develop the youngsters.

This year's team has improve a lot since Wellington and he has done a great job with limited player resources. England have lacked pace this year and if they had Strettle and Varndell swapping over every half they would have won a fair few titles im sure this season. Give the bloke a chance! I have spoken to a fair few players at the tournaments and they can't say enough good things about the coaching. It will take time (i'm hoping they might show some of that this weekend!!) but im sure they will get there. I love the sevens and watch them whenever they can. I have spent a fair deal of money following them around the globe and never felt a penny has been wasted. So, if anyone did have a reason to gripe then i might. But i dont and it has annoyed me sufficiently to reply when i read this! With Ben Ryan full time next year and hopefully the likes of future full internationals Foden, Care and others still under his guidance, the side could be up there next year. Right, off my chest now! It's all on BBCi interactive tomorrow and sunday so have a look and see how they go eh Daleman?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jun 2007 at 09:40
Well, Jo, I had a look and think my original post remains spot on. I guess you will argue that they had a splendd win over Georgia but I will counter that by pointing out a pathetic loss to the Argies and a thumping from NZ.
 
Still, they have the Bowl to look forward to today! Success?????


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Jun 2007 at 20:44
i watched their games on sunday and they looked very good. great win against aussies - how often do we say that?! NZ smashed everyone and are world champs so nothing to be ashamed of there. Plus they had a lot of youngsters that will benefit massively. Dalesman - did you not hear last week and this week the comments by the previous 2 coaches Joe Lydon and Mike Friday blaming cuts in funding, not being allowed the players release etc! They seem to know what they are talking about and both were very positive of Ben Ryan but critical of the system. Isnt that a fairer comment dalesman or have you got it in for the young lad?!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jun 2007 at 13:50
Maybe Dalesman is a highly qualified coach with an in-depth knowledge of all the politics within the RFU, all the players available for close-season tournaments and all the skills of international 7s rugby who should have ben given the job ahean of Banjo?  Surely, without such a strong position he would not (directly or by inuendo) sl*g off a post holder?  Nothing wrong with informed criticism, opinion, or debate, but I really dislike the rubbishing of someones efforts just to take up space.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 20:07
with Jim Mallinder and Dorian West leaving RFU, i wouldnt be surprised if they push Ryan back into 15's as their backs coach at saxons. So maybe his sevens journey is a quick one?!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 20:10
I dunno, sure he would be up to it and would be good call but the sevens has had enough change to lose him before he has even started full time would be more change they dont need?!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Jun 2007 at 21:25
Can I point out that Ben also has the role as England's academy coach and has yet to take up this role - his employment with Newbury RFC has only just finished.

I would be very surprised if Ben opted for a position where he does not have 'control' over the team - it does not appear to be his style.
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