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Biggest over and under achievers in National 1 this season?

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I would love to say Caldy as an over achiever because with no DRs and a budget that I guess is probably somewhere between a tenth to a fifth of most clubs (depending on which club they are compared to of course) they currently lie mid table.

However three factors make me hesitant in describing Caldy as overachievers:

1. The season isn't finished yet and Caldy could still be pulled into the relegation battle
2. The Caldy players and coaches are disappointed with certain aspects of their play this year. They have lost at least three games when in a winning position with less than 5 minutes to play (Cambridge home, Rosslyn Park away and DMP at home) and have lost three or four other games they probably could/should have won (DMP away, Birmingham Mosely away,Old Elthamians away, Plymouth Albion away)
3. I will get some serious grief from the players and the coaches if I describe them as overachievers, even though they play on a field and change in a wooden hut they just won't recognise that description of themselves......


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Alderman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Feb 2018 at 13:16
I would disagree with BEs 'could/have should have won' assessment against the OEs, but overall I would say the three promoted teams, Bishop Stortford, OEs and Caldy have all surpassed everyone's expectations.
 
As a newcomer to National 1 the team I didn't expect to be rock bottom and relegation favourites was Bill Beaumont's famous old team of Fylde.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rabbie Burns Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Feb 2018 at 13:39
Would also depend on the budget to get where you are. Fylde have had a couple of years struggling down the bottom half and have had to cut their cloth this season. In students case is this down to Dave Morris leaving last summer who had consistently produced decent teams as I doubt budget comes into it. Our target was top 4 which is still achievable but poor losses at home to Bishops Storford and Loughborough and away to Hull when we were leading and fairly comfy with 5 minutes to go and lost. Beating the 4 teams above us at home was good but with a 60-70% new team we should be at worst top 6 (roughly where we are now)
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In case anyone hadn't guessed, Rabbie's team is Blackheath who have seen off all four top teams at Well Hall, including a thrashing of Coventry, but have indeed slipped up against sides lower down the ladder.
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Originally posted by Alderman Alderman wrote:

I would disagree with BEs 'could/have should have won' assessment against the OEs, but overall I would say the three promoted teams, Bishop Stortford, OEs and Caldy have all surpassed everyone's expectations.
 

Alderman the OE's match at College Meadow against Caldy only moved into the could have won bracket for Caldy after the three OEs yellow cards.........I agree it was never a should have won but after the game the lads felt with a bit more composure they could have won it at the death. It was a nail biter for Gavin Lach at the end but no question that OEs deserved the win overall

OE's 23 Caldy 21............Caldy hunting for the win at the end finishing strongly after a poor start
Birmingham Mosely 13 Caldy 11.....BM withstood concerted Caldy pressure yet another game that Caldy probably should have won
DMP 32 - Caldy 26 .......brilliant 2nd half fight back by Caldy....DMP hanging on at the end
Plymouth Albion 21 Caldy 16 ........a very tight game that Caldy could have won rather than should have won

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Overachievers: Old Elthamians, Bishop's Stortford and Caldy are easy because they haven't come up and struggled, but been very competitive and are currently mid-table.

Underachievers: Moseley and Rosslyn Park are the first two that spring to mind because I expected them, with Coventry, Albion, Blackheath, Ampthill and Mowden, to largely make up the top of the table.

I don't quite know if Mowden have overachieved, but they've surpassed my expectations by currently lying (a reasonably) clear second. Similarly, Coventry have surpassed expectations by, after only 21 games, being the champions-in-waiting with only one defeat against their name.

As an aside, a game between the Hartpury team of last year against the Coventry team of this year would be interesting!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Feb 2018 at 15:41
Originally posted by Fake_Shemp Fake_Shemp wrote:



As an aside, a game between the Hartpury team of last year against the Coventry team of this year would be interesting!

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Massive credit to Caldy and BS for their seasons . . OE's less so as they have a very big player budget.

Cov is what you would expect with seasons of high spending . . but good luck to them, as they have good people running the club and a sound business plan.

Underachievers . . probably RP and Esher . . although Esher looking stronger now.
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Originally posted by Runitback Runitback wrote:

Massive credit to Caldy and BS for their seasons . . OE's less so as they have a very big player budget.

Cov is what you would expect with seasons of high spending . . but good luck to them, as they have good people running the club and a sound business plan.

Underachievers . . probably RP and Esher . . although Esher looking stronger now.


Where is the evidence for the OEs 'very big player budget' The team is largely the same as the side that finished second in N2S last year and then edged past Sale in the play offs. As far as I know all the players have regular jobs?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tulip Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Feb 2018 at 18:30
If the players do not originate from Eltham College then I think the name should change to Elthamians
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Originally posted by tulip tulip wrote:

If the players do not originate from Eltham College then I think the name should change to Elthamians


Slightly off topic but Westcombe Park and Rabbie B have explained the 106 year history of the OEs in other threads. Suffice to say the players do not originate from Eltham College although some teach there and OEs and the College have never been based in Eltham. Both are in Mottingham which is a less prestigious area once in the parish of Eltham. Blackheath would have more claim to the title of ‘Elthamians’ as they play right in the centre of Eltham.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rabbie Burns Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Feb 2018 at 19:30
On that logic then no more old Albanians, Riegatians, Wimbledon’s and loads of other old traditional clubs which have graced the leagues for many years. In our modern day society clubs cannot be closed membership and to get to this level it would be hard to expect them to continually compete without recruiting players from outside.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tulip Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Feb 2018 at 19:48
Originally posted by Rabbie Burns Rabbie Burns wrote:

On that logic then no more old Albanians, Riegatians, Wimbledon’s and loads of other old traditional clubs which have graced the leagues for many years. In our modern day society clubs cannot be closed membership and to get to this level it would be hard to expect them to continually compete without recruiting players from outside.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Feb 2018 at 21:26
I love the fact that you can join OAs juniors when your are too young to attend the school.

The only side that really deserves the name are Old Streetonians - and I am not sure they all live in Old Street.


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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

I love the fact that you can join OAs juniors when your are too young to attend the school.

The only side that really deserves the name are Old Streetonians - and I am not sure they all live in Old Street.



And you can join the seniors when you get your Fez 😂😂
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Monkey Boy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Feb 2018 at 22:42
I think we all agree that Big Eddie has over achieved
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Big Eddie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Feb 2018 at 23:08
Originally posted by Monkey Boy Monkey Boy wrote:

I think we all agree that Big Eddie has over achieved
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote No 7 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Feb 2018 at 18:14
I have been told that Rosslyn Park have had their budget cut by 50 % but do not know exactly what it was previously and at present. I do know there are players in the match day squad who receive far less than  virtually every other team in National 1.  This is excluding  the Loughborough Students who receive no payment for playing National 1 Rugby.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FHLH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Feb 2018 at 18:59
Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

....... excluding  the Loughborough Students who receive no payment for playing National 1 Rugby.


but not the non-Students who play in the open club in National 1
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