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Originally posted by Trailfinder Trailfinder wrote:

Surely it's time for the Department of Culture, Media and Sport to step in and overhaul the governance of rugby in this country? It's not fit for purpose no matter which rung on the ladder your team is on.
I strongly advise you to ring them tomorrow and see how far you get.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Richard Lowther Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Feb 2020 at 22:34
Originally posted by Trailfinder Trailfinder wrote:

Surely it's time for the Department of Culture, Media and Sport to step in and overhaul the governance of rugby in this country? It's not fit for purpose no matter which rung on the ladder your team is on.

And you think political interference would be better?

The trouble is there are over 2000 clubs etc who could change the way the RFU is run but then again there are probably 2000 different answers on how it should be run.

If you aren't happy then your club etc is the first port of call for change, get them to call for a EGM etc and try to change things at HQ but don't hold your breath.

You could find the 1976 clubs who don't receive anything from the RFU vote to remove any money your club currently gets and then there would be uproar! 
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The RFU screwed up professionalism twenty five years ago and the pigeons are now coming home to roost. The only sport in this country that has the clout to be professional is Association Football, and they are so bloated with greed they will kill the goose that laid the golden egg. Every other sport just begs for scraps from their table.
Look at the 'gates' from the so-called professional Rugby leagues...somewhere between football's Championship and Division One. Yet look below that and I'll wager there's more folk support their local rugby club than football. And that's down to the game's ethos and camaraderie. Something that football will never have for all it's money. And it's time the RFU recognised this and put the support down to grass roots. And not to a bunch of firework fantasists.
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The 5 objectives (according to The Times)
1. Make steps towards becoming a financially viable league, given the average annual club loss is £260,000
2. Develop a league where more clubs have an ambition of winning promotion.
3. Increase the number of English-qualified players.
4. Develop future England coaches and referees.
5. Develop a community programme to grow the game in the club’s region

Thanks Islander – I see what you mean by vague……..are they really the objectives that the clubs were asked to sign up to (wonder if anyone who’s seen them can confirm)?
If they were really that vague (not suggesting they weren’t….just incredulous if that’s the case) then it would be a no-brainer to agree to them as a condition to receive the £3m (or whatever) since they would be a doddle to tick as ‘yes’. In fact pretty much any of us on this board could provide the answers.
If the RFU are justifying funding cuts because they weren’t met – the clubs should make public their disagreement and demonstrate that they WERE met.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Baggins Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Feb 2020 at 09:55
Originally posted by 373 373 wrote:

Originally posted by Trailfinder Trailfinder wrote:

Surely it's time for the Department of Culture, Media and Sport to step in and overhaul the governance of rugby in this country? It's not fit for purpose no matter which rung on the ladder your team is on.
I strongly advise you to ring them tomorrow and see how far you get.

The idea that the current government could instruct the RFU on competence and decentralising power is at least novel. 
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Originally posted by Baggins Baggins wrote:

Originally posted by 373 373 wrote:

Originally posted by Trailfinder Trailfinder wrote:

Surely it's time for the Department of Culture, Media and Sport to step in and overhaul the governance of rugby in this country? It's not fit for purpose no matter which rung on the ladder your team is on.
I strongly advise you to ring them tomorrow and see how far you get.

The idea that the current government could instruct the RFU on competence and decentralising power is at least novel. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pappashanga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Feb 2020 at 10:52
As to objective 3, I must say there is a point. I'm forever seeing entries on the Signing and Departures blog referring to this that and the other player with a foreign name signed by various championship clubs. Of course the Premiership clubs do the same.
Scottish clubs, too. There are more Vans than Macs in Edinburgh's team.
I understand the reason. Everybody wants to win and get whoever they can who'll help them do it.
I am South African born and brought up. I suppose the rugby culture there produces a lot of players who see Europe as the place to earn decent money in their short lived playing careers.
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I'm sorry but given the way the Saracens' management and owner lied and lied about their conduct, forgive me for thinking another group of owners are trying to spin things to make it look as if the RFU are at fault when they want more money out of it.  Forget about all the objectives and who knew about them. The question is: was the end of the current funding round known about? The answer is 'yes'. The next question is what plans to deal with possible outcomes of the new funding round did the Championship have in place? The answer to this is less obvious but from outside it looks like 'none'. 
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The most disappointing aspect is that there was no contact with the clubs prior to the announcement and therefore no chance of the clubs being able to explore other options. Surely proper engagement with the clubs could have avoided this situation even if the RFU still went ahead with their intention to reduce the funding it would have given the clubs more time to prepare for it. It appears that there is no long term plan from the RFU for professional rugby from the governing body who are responsible for the management of the sport. Reading through the media reports and the amount of criticism coming from both current and ex-players the handling of this has been an absolute PR disaster for the RFU.


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They have just Killed level 2 !! Brilliant . You Could Not write this .
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Originally posted by Pirate Pig Pirate Pig wrote:

The most disappointing aspect is that there was no contact with the clubs prior to the announcement and therefore no chance of the clubs being able to explore other options. Surely proper engagement with the clubs could have avoided this situation even if the RFU still went ahead with their intention to reduce the funding it would have given the clubs more time to prepare for it. It appears that there is no long term plan from the RFU for professional rugby from the governing body who are responsible for the management of the sport. Reading through the media reports and the amount of criticism coming from both current and ex-players the handling of this has been an absolute PR disaster for the RFU.



"the handling of this has been an absolute PR disaster for the RFU"

as if the RFU have ever worried about PR! They are judge & jury and will twist, manipulate, spin and ignore any rules, regulations, and processes to suit their needs at the time .... and it's been like this for the last 30 years and probably longer than that but I'm to young to comment on that scenario

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Originally posted by Clive Norling Clive Norling wrote:

Originally posted by Thunderbird Thunderbird wrote:

Clive, am I right in thinking the previous CEO now works for Premiership? 


Yes, he is the Chairman / CEO or something like that, it is insulting to everyone that he has been able to negotiate with one company on behalf of the RFU and now gets a job working with that same said company ..... Libel and litigation restricts me from saying anything else

Quite right. Who does he think he is? A politician?
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Originally posted by PlangentThrowback PlangentThrowback wrote:

I'm sorry but given the way the Saracens' management and owner lied and lied about their conduct, forgive me for thinking another group of owners are trying to spin things to make it look as if the RFU are at fault when they want more money out of it.  Forget about all the objectives and who knew about them. The question is: was the end of the current funding round known about? The answer is 'yes'. The next question is what plans to deal with possible outcomes of the new funding round did the Championship have in place? The answer to this is less obvious but from outside it looks like 'none'. 

I'm sure the likes of PT don't speak for the majority of Bristol supporters, whose company I've invariably enjoyed - I've been pleased to see them reach the Prem and become well-established at the second attempt. Pat Lam's a top man IMHO. Maybe familiarity with the Championship during their club's long stay bred contempt in a small minority which they can't help expressing from the lofty perch they eventually reached.

To equate the Saracens salary cap conduct, widely agreed in the game to be cheating, with the reaction of Championship top brass to this week's bombshell is shameful. The 'spin' was in fact genuine reaction/opinion from the affected clubs and I'd be interested to see specific example of things you think are untrue - although quoting them might not suit your agenda. If 'spinning' is the target of your ire, how about directing it at an organisation which:
  • leaks details to media the day before agreed publication of news
  • labours the point about 'key objectives' without mentioning that these were never monitored
  • start its release about a damaging cut in funding with the line 'The RFU will continue to provide financial support to the GKIPAC next season'
  • lists 21 of 45 players in the current England elite squad who played in GKIPAC but then dismisses 20 of them as not having been 'discovered' while playing at level 2
  • fails to acknowledge the community work of GKIPAC clubs
  • makes great capital about the importance of mental health and then puts livelihoods at risk for young men (mainly men + some females fulfilling important back-room roles)
Don't take my word for it, read Stuart Barnes in The Times today deriding Mr Sweeney for his comment that cutting funding shouldn't affect clubs realising their ambitions of promotion, describing it as either the height of naivety or disingenuity.

The GKIPAC have been trying for months to get clarity from the RFU, Cuts were feared/expected, but the extent of them, and the late notice - less than 3 months before the season ends - is appalling. But yet you think it's the GKIPAC clubs' fault - that claim wins you today's first prize: all the biscuits.



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Greene King are still the sponsors of the Championship until the end of this season. I wonder what their PR department makes of all this bad publicity? I reckon that they won’t offer RFU any more sponsorship.
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Originally posted by Les E Les E wrote:

Greene King are still the sponsors of the Championship until the end of this season. I wonder what their PR department makes of all this bad publicity? I reckon that they won’t offer RFU any more sponsorship.

So, expect a second cut in the remaining central funding when the RFU reveals that the remaining central payment included 100% of the GK sponsorship?
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Has anyone got Bill Sweeney’s email address? I’ve tried to contact him through the RFU contact emails but no response yet 
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Originally posted by Les E Les E wrote:

Has anyone got Bill Sweeney’s email address? I’ve tried to contact him through the RFU contact emails but no response yet 

Standard RFU format is:

PrinceObolensky@rfu.com
 


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Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Originally posted by Les E Les E wrote:

Has anyone got Bill Sweeney’s email address? I’ve tried to contact him through the RFU contact emails but no response yet 

Standard RFU format is:

PrinceObolensky@rfu.com
 


You'd probably get more sense out of him.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Les E Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Feb 2020 at 21:20
Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Originally posted by Les E Les E wrote:

Has anyone got Bill Sweeney’s email address? I’ve tried to contact him through the RFU contact emails but no response yet 

Standard RFU format is:

PrinceObolensky@rfu.com


That reminds me - didn’t Jersey (under performing according to RFU) beat Russia (World Cup Team) earlier this season? Was this one of the RFU objectives?
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