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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Sep 2020 at 16:12
London Irish tonight field Ross Neal, Ben Donnell, Jack Cooke, Isaac Curtis-Harris, Ben Atkins and Izzy Moore-Aiono, all of whom have had time in recent seasons with Esher while Harlequins field Cadan Murley, James Lang, Will Collier, Archie White and Ross Chisholm, all of whom had time with Esher. The D/R system works well in London!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote marigold Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Sep 2020 at 20:09
But would you say it has worked well for Esher? Is one of the club's primary aims to develop Premiership Academy players?
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Edits in bold

Jersey Reds' contribution
  • Wasps: Rowlands (DR), Le Booj (via Blues), TJ Harris (short-term loan)
  • Gloucester: Banahan (via Bath & L Irish - never played in Ch'ship), Beckett
  • Wuss: Van Breda, Howe (DR)
  • Brizz: Woolmore, Armstrong, Sheedy (DR)
  • Quins: Herron, Thomas (via Donny), Kerrod (via Wuss)
  • Sarries: Barrington, Clarey, Venter
  • Exeter: Taione; Williams
  • Irish: Rogerson
  • Sale: our Asst Coach Rob Webber, signed from Sale in June, has gone back there on short-term loan. I realise that doesn't exactly make him a 'Championship player'...
The 3 DRs listed all spent at least half a season here, up to a season in some cases.

I have probably missed some out and/or failed to recall players at Bath, Leicester (apart from Charlie Clare who was here for half a season in 2012/13 but spent far longer at Bedford before going to Saints & eventually back to Tigers), Saints


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote corporalcarrot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Sep 2020 at 08:13
Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Jersey Reds' contribution
  • Wasps: Rowlands (DR), Le Booj (via Blues), TJ Harris (short-term loan)
  • Gloucester: Banahan (via L Irish), Beckett
  • Wuss: Van Breda, Howe (DR)
  • Brizz: Woolmore, Armstrong, Sheedy (DR)
  • Quins: Herron, Thomas (via Donny), Kerrod (via Wuss)
  • Sarries: Barrington, Clarey, Venter
  • Exeter: Taione
  • Irish: Rogerson
  • Sale: our Asst Coach Rob Webber, signed from Sale in June, has gone back there on short-term loan. I realise that doesn't exactly make him a 'Championship player'...
The 3 DRs listed all spent at least half a season here, up to a season in some cases.

I have probably missed some out and/or failed to recall players at Bath, Leicester, Saints

Not Premiership but a couple of Scrum halves with Scarlets & a couple of forwards with Edinburgh - Falcons players may eventually be added when the new season starts. Charlie Clare (via Blues) was playing in the televised game last night.
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Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Jersey Reds' contribution
  • Wasps: Rowlands (DR), Le Booj (via Blues), TJ Harris (short-term loan)
  • Gloucester: Banahan (via L Irish), Beckett
  • Wuss: Van Breda, Howe (DR)
  • Brizz: Woolmore, Armstrong, Sheedy (DR)
  • Quins: Herron, Thomas (via Donny), Kerrod (via Wuss)
  • Sarries: Barrington, Clarey, Venter
  • Exeter: Taione
  • Irish: Rogerson
  • Sale: our Asst Coach Rob Webber, signed from Sale in June, has gone back there on short-term loan. I realise that doesn't exactly make him a 'Championship player'...
The 3 DRs listed all spent at least half a season here, up to a season in some cases.

I have probably missed some out and/or failed to recall players at Bath, Leicester, Saints

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Harry Williams also played for Nottingham. 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (2) Thanks(2)   Quote billesleyexile Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Sep 2020 at 10:04
I do think that there's got to be a qualitative difference in terms of "contribution" between:

- 'came through our M&J then spent a couple of years in the firsts'
- 'came through our M&J then left to go to a prem academy'
- 'played a few games for us on D/R'
- 'turned up on the scene fully formed, played for us and left for the Prem'
- etc

Sometimes when I sit and look at Moseley's list I wonder which ones we can actually claim and whether we're trying to tell ourselves stories with some of them because it sounds good 

With someone like Lewis Bean - who went from us in N1 to Saints and is now getting at least regular bench starts (as indeed he did this week), then he'd apparently never played rugby before someone put a ball in his hand in the army, then he came to us for a couple of seasons, then off to Saints. So I suppose we split the honours with the army in terms of his (rapid) development? But then again, given how rapid it was, maybe he was just a natural? And then Worcester would chip in and say 'while he was at Moseley he was training with us sometimes and played the odd A League match, so where's our credit?'

For a lot of players there has been genuine development, and hard work, but I always wonder how much ice there is below the surface in these lists of contributions, where it amounts to 'he wore our shirt'?


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Sep 2020 at 09:06
I'd add another category to your's above - player who came to club (Jersey in this case) having been on the books of a top-flight club but not really making an impression there, developing their game in the Championship and then earning a second crack at the higher level. From Jersey alumni you could include the 2 scrum-halves mentioned by the Corporal - Hardy 'n' Homer at Scarlets in this category, as well as Rogerson (Irish), Herron (Quins), Woolmore (Bristol) and Clare (Leicester). Not claiming all the credit for the last 2 - Woolmore played for Taunton & Clare was with Blues far longer than he was here (5ish months IIRC, debut was Leinster [a] on his 21st birthday)
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You could add to that Dave Ward, didn’t quite make it as flanker at Wasps and Saints, came to Pirates as a hooker, went onto be q huge success and Quins and England Saxons. Quins were I believe tipped off by centre Matt Hooper who came to us from Plymouth Albion and left us for the Stoop.
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Sheedy played for Bristol in the Championship. As did Uren and Eadie. 

Mind you Saracens have Mako as an academy graduate when he was in Bristol’s academy and had played forty games for Bris before they signed him.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pappashanga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Sep 2020 at 12:32
Sheedy used to play regularly for Cinderford as a DR some years ago. Noticeably talented but a terrible goal kicker, which has now improved.
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Alec Clarey has appeared as a Saracens player. He was also part of Bristol’s academy. Not sure if he played for Bris in Championship but has for Jersey.
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I dont believe core player progession is gained at the championship level.... there are senior players who make the step up from the championship however i believe more Premiership teams send their youngsters to National 1 and 2 to blood in so to speak....  looking purely at DMP in very recent times you have -

Josh Hodge
Morgan Passman 
Adam Brocklebank
Will Montgomery 
Contact Cade
Rob Farrar
Tom Marshall
Cameron Nordli-Kelementi
Jack Payne

It would be better name the players who have broken the mould and create/forged themselves an opportunity at a later stage in their careers.... so again looking at DMP -

Adam Radwan released from Falcons at 16 joined DMP set the league alight and will probably pull on an England shirt in the next 2 year

Matt Shields- Prop moving to Quins in late 20s

Matt Heaton - Canadas player of the year and played everyminute of the world Cup playing for a USA franchise (mega money i would giess) in late 20s

Simon Uzokwe - a medical student as sunderland uni signing a pro contract at early 20s

Frano Lamanna - Uruguay world Cup player playing in pro 14

Luca Petillo - one if the hardest men I've ever met again playing pro 14

Santiago Socino - from DMP to Jaguars and 2nd choice hooker for Argentina 

These are the types of players we should be commenting on not DR'S and they were selected and placed in the said club to develop for the Premiership team....

If we really turned back the clock in the mid 2000s Toby Flood was offered to DMP as the answer to Kevin Oliphants injury and was places on the wing as he didn't make the cut at the time??? That was Nat 3 north



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote corporalcarrot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Sep 2020 at 11:37
Originally posted by Peter_B Peter_B wrote:

Alec Clarey has appeared as a Saracens player. He was also part of Bristol’s academy. Not sure if he played for Bris in Championship but has for Jersey.
Clarey came off the bench for the last 10 mins in Jersey's last away game at Briz. Jersey's starting props that day were Woolmore & Armstrong who both moved to Briz that year. Sarries recently had Barrington & Clarey in their front row - so many cracking front row players over the years - Williams and Lockwood were incredible as was Brennan who made the Championship dream team and still around in St Ouens.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Westcoaster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Sep 2020 at 09:05
Pierce Philips was another Jersey Red who made the Prem 
Come on Jersey........
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Happened to pick up a copy of Rugby World today and there was an interview with Eddie Jones in there. He was asked "Who are the best young players in the Premiership?" and he reeled off half a dozen names, then he said "...What's also noticeable is the number of players coming through from the Championship and doing well. It's really showing how many good players went there and took their opportunity."

Whatever else is stacked against the Championship at the moment (and there's plenty), it is clear that Eddie Jones is a major supporter, not just from this quote, but from things like going to Ealing to train the team.
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Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

Jersey's starting props that day were Woolmore & Armstrong who both moved to Briz that year.

Woolmore illustrates the point above about experience gained further down the pyramid than the Championship.  He was at Taunton for several seasons, plus a brief Exeter connection.  All before Jersey.  And now more game for Bris (does the 's' really sound like 'z'?).  Who developed him?  All of them.  I suspect the man himself may have but a bit of effort in too.
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Originally posted by PlangentThrowback PlangentThrowback wrote:

[QUOTE=corporalcarrot]And now more game for Bris (does the 's' really sound like 'z'?).  
No offence intended with my use of "z" and although in the unlikely event that Jersey play the Bears again I would be hoping for a second win for Jersey in the prem I tend to follow Bears and Falcons and a signed Bristol shirt hangs proudly in my Rugby snug at home where Mrs C banishes me to watch matches. I think the z probably derives from a rugby tour to Weston & Burnham in the late 1980s when it seemed to my deficient hearing to sound like Brizzle.  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Bartman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Sep 2020 at 08:57
There's no offence taken with the use of the "z" in theze here parts my good friend and you are always more than welcome to come over to visit us in Briztol any time. 
Maybe not if your team spoil our unbeaten run again though, but so happy for you that you went away with your wish the last time. Beer
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Sep 2020 at 19:47
Originally posted by Bartman Bartman wrote:

There's no offence taken with the use of the "z" in theze here parts my good friend and you are always more than welcome to come over to visit us in Briztol any time. 
Maybe not if your team spoil our unbeaten run again though, but so happy for you that you went away with your wish the last time. Beer

Good to hear Bartman - cheerz to you too Beer

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