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I reckon two things made a significant difference to the Reds in the second half today: a half time hairdrier special, much needed as the team out for the first half looked slow and very much second choice players. And secondly when the two Jakes and Salad came on, the change at the set piece was astounding, proper first team front row really made a difference. No wonder both props are off to the Premiership.
Message to flyhalf Brendan Cope, if your restart dropouts go 35 metres and give the opposition time, space and initiative, why keep kicking off the same way ? Kicking it 20 metres so that our players can arrive and compete might be an option.
Apart from that, a thoroughly entertaining afternoon: sun was out, 70 points scored, 1800 crowd and ten tries to enjoy.....Tongue
Come on Jersey........
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Nottingham play in green and white, they're known as the green and whites etc
Anybody know why they played in blue today please?
Come on Jersey........
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Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

it was pretty topsy-turvey on the Island today - early try to Reds, Notts score a pen, then 4 tries in 15 mins to lead 7-29, then Reds score 4 tries in 14 mins either side of HT to lead 31-29. It calmed down a bit after that until 2 late tries made it 50-29. May not have been ideal prep for a tight cup tie next week, but hopefully everyone unscathed...
Good summary Islander but over 1800 turned up and deserved better imo. For 30 minutes today the performance today for me ranked with the infamous Yorkies & Ealing matches as genuinely horrible. One uncontested kick off leading to a try by Notts followed by yet another one! 50-29 is surely a basketball match score not Championship rugby. Dead rubber rugby at its worst. I would be remiss if I didn't find something positive to post so well done to Notts for always trying to go forward and score - their half backs were class - well done James Newey my man of the match but don't get carried away lad - the sun shone & Milo is winning the battle against the docks - Calves Liver & bacon go really well with Jersey Royals & Rioja. 

CC, I'm not so sure that you would have the same opinion if you had have been standing where I was behind the goal at the covered end of the pitch. Yes, a really weird afternoon of rugby, but when Jersey had missed tackle after tackle and were 29-7 and a man down the player who literally dragged them up by the scruff of the necks was Scott Van Breda. 100% deserved the MOTM accolade.
It was a very strange game, but all credit to Jersey for turning this around and it didn't happen at half time, it started after 30 minutes and the players did it.
I love watching Nottingham play, they are a great running team and I cant wait to see them again next season, but they were (eventually) well beaten today.
SVB is a fantastic leader and Worcester are a very lucky club to pick him up, I just hope that they use him, otherwise can we have him back please!!
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Originally posted by Rothman2 Rothman2 wrote:

Roth only got 3 tries Albert


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Originally posted by Westcoaster Westcoaster wrote:

Message to flyhalf Brendan Cope, if your restart dropouts go 35 metres and give the opposition time, space and initiative, why keep kicking off the same way ? Kicking it 20 metres so that our players can arrive and compete might be an option.
Apart from that, a thoroughly entertaining afternoon: sun was out, 70 points scored, 1800 crowd and ten tries to enjoy.....Tongue
It would be really informative to know who in the Jersey camp insists on repeatedly aiming restarts to land just inside the opposition 22. A short kick off landing just over the 10 metre line which the forwards can compete for I understand and a long kick off aimed at the five metre line to gain territory could also make sense but just inside the 22? I don't believe Cope is behind the strategy he is playing in the form of his life at present and scored a shed load of tries yesterday and is defending and place kicking immaculately. I don't know who dreamed the strategy up but it should be filed away with aimless kicking to Billy Wizz wingers.
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You seem to get these high-scoring encounters towards the end of the season - I make it 424 points in 6 games this w/e (surprisingly not the highest-scoring round, that was round 4 in September with 445). Even the very tight games at the RAG and CL had 58/56 points... it may have something to do with the lack of the play-offs, but also the pitches are firmer. The Reds got rather caught up in this yesterday - a quick lineout with 10 minutes to go and a 7-pt lead wasn't very pragmatic; nor was a second row essaying a grubber kick as we attacked the Nott 22! Confused

Originally posted by Jerorky Jerorky wrote:

Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

it was pretty topsy-turvy on the Island today - early try to Reds, Notts score a pen, then 4 tries in 15 mins to lead 7-29, then Reds score 4 tries in 14 mins either side of HT to lead 31-29. It calmed down a bit after that until 2 late tries made it 50-29. May not have been ideal prep for a tight cup tie next week, but hopefully everyone unscathed...

Have to agree  Islander but, strangely, the folks around me felt that, even at 29-7 down, if we scored next  we could/would do it. Notts made the best use of a yellow card we've seen all seen season to race into the chasmic lead but there was a home belief that a recovery was do-able. And it was in magnificent fashion and not entirely due to the bench so well done the whole squad. 


The 1st YC for the Reds was very costly, although there was a similarly damaging one in October - Rory Pitman carded and Bristol scored 4 tries, including a Rhodri Williams' hat-trick, in his absence... and we 'only' lost by 19 pts!


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I have just been looking at Jersey's change in performance over the last few league games and the turnaround in form is quite startling.
Played 7 won 5 lost 2 (against Ealing and away at YC)
Points scored 255 (near as damn it half of our total league points of the season)
Tries 39
TBP 6 (out of our total tally of 7).
Some may be saying 'so what', but for us this represents a massive turnaround in the teams league form since January. It could be that the squad have eventually gelled, but to have only picked up 1 TBP in the 1st half of the season and scraping results together to now playing confident, attacking rugby has been an absolute pleasure to watch. Such a shame that we couldn't hold the squad together for another season, but most are going on to greater things.

To be fair, it is also worth mentioning Pirates as well, who had a dreadful start to the season, losing 5 out their first 6 games, but are now on a 6 game winning streak in the league and looking good value for a top 4, or even a top 3 finish. Some turnaround that is guys.
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Originally posted by Brizzer Brizzer wrote:

I have just been looking at Jersey's change in performance over the last few league games and the turnaround in form is quite startling.
Played 7 won 5 lost 2 (against Ealing and away at YC)
Points scored 255 (near as damn it half of our total league points of the season)
Tries 39
TBP 6 (out of our total tally of 7).
Some may be saying 'so what', but for us this represents a massive turnaround in the teams league form since January. It could be that the squad have eventually gelled, but to have only picked up 1 TBP in the 1st half of the season and scraping results together to now playing confident, attacking rugby has been an absolute pleasure to watch. Such a shame that we couldn't hold the squad together for another season, but most are going on to greater things.

To be fair, it is also worth mentioning Pirates as well, who had a dreadful start to the season, losing 5 out their first 6 games, but are now on a 6 game winning streak in the league and looking good value for a top 4, or even a top 3 finish. Some turnaround that is guys.


It's really nice to see Jersey playing more ambitious rugby, nothing irritated me more than getting beaten by a side that could seemingly do nothing but kick to the corner, catch, drive, try. Some of Jersey's tries lately have been outstanding, they've given some teams a good thumping recently.

Regarding Pirates, we've done more or less the same thing, fewer pick-and-go's, fewer mauls, and started playing much more expansive and juicy rugby.

Perhaps it's because both Jersey and Pirates have been mathematically safe in the league for a while now and so aren't just trying to win, but trying to win stylishly, and perhaps trying new tactics.


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Yes, once you get a reputation for a 1 dimentional game, it is really hard to lose that tag. Probably one of the strangest shouts that I have heard this season was from the Blues fans chanting 'boring boring Jersey' as we ran in 5 tries, only 1 of which was from a RM. The Blues on the other hand tried on many occasions to rumble over from a catch and drive and didn't get close.
We still use the RM as a weapon (why wouldn't you), but the vast majority of our tries are coming from open play and are being scored by the backs.
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Originally posted by Brizzer Brizzer wrote:

Yes, once you get a reputation for a 1 dimentional game, it is really hard to lose that tag. Probably one of the strangest shouts that I have heard this season was from the Blues fans chanting 'boring boring Jersey' as we ran in 5 tries, only 1 of which was from a RM. The Blues on the other hand tried on many occasions to rumble over from a catch and drive and didn't get close.
We still use the RM as a weapon (why wouldn't you), but the vast majority of our tries are coming from open play and are being scored by the backs.


I must admit even I was getting a bit frustrated watching the game when Jersey came to the Mennaye earlier in the season. In all fairness the pitch was a bog so what else could you do.
I agree it's a great weapon if you just need to slog out a win, but it's no spectacle.
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Originally posted by Hoffee Hoffee wrote:

Originally posted by Brizzer Brizzer wrote:

I have just been looking at Jersey's change in performance over the last few league games and the turnaround in form is quite startling.
Played 7 won 5 lost 2 (against Ealing and away at YC)
Points scored 255 (near as damn it half of our total league points of the season)
Tries 39
TBP 6 (out of our total tally of 7).
Some may be saying 'so what', but for us this represents a massive turnaround in the teams league form since January. It could be that the squad have eventually gelled, but to have only picked up 1 TBP in the 1st half of the season and scraping results together to now playing confident, attacking rugby has been an absolute pleasure to watch. Such a shame that we couldn't hold the squad together for another season, but most are going on to greater things.

To be fair, it is also worth mentioning Pirates as well, who had a dreadful start to the season, losing 5 out their first 6 games, but are now on a 6 game winning streak in the league and looking good value for a top 4, or even a top 3 finish. Some turnaround that is guys.


It's really nice to see Jersey playing more ambitious rugby, nothing irritated me more than getting beaten by a side that could seemingly do nothing but kick to the corner, catch, drive, try. Some of Jersey's tries lately have been outstanding, they've given some teams a good thumping recently.

Regarding Pirates, we've done more or less the same thing, fewer pick-and-go's, fewer mauls, and started playing much more expansive and juicy rugby.

Perhaps it's because both Jersey and Pirates have been mathematically safe in the league for a while now and so aren't just trying to win, but trying to win stylishly, and perhaps trying new tactics.
 
so they got better in the latter half of the season despite no play offs - you mean a team was motivated by wanting to play well? whatever next?!
 
let us not forget that thanks to being promoted through the play offs London welsh were killed off as a professional club through trying to compete when up
 
you are able to go up despite not being the relegated team - Bristol did it after many attempts (& would have gone up over the relegated team on league points when Worcester were down last, despite sending basically a second team to the last away league game at Worcester that they won) & who's to say ealing won't next year?
if jersey can keep improving the way they have they too can mount a challenge in the not too distant future
 
what is this league for? is it a stepping stone to the next one up, or is it an end in itself?
 
& didn't it work fine before the play offs were introduced?
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I wasn't talking about the play-offs and in fact that's a tired topic of conversation so can we just leave it. The play-offs are gone, the team that finishes top, and therefore the best in the league, goes up, which makes sense, end-of.

My point was that teams aren't  motivated to play better, but are instead playing better because they have nothing to lose... They're playing the way they'd always wanted to play. And since there's nothing to gain either neither team are slogging out victories by doing maul after maul and playing it safe. The ditching of the play-offs may in fact have the opposite affect to what people think.


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I think the main problem that prohibits teams in the Championship are the grounds. With rugby being a winter sport most f the games from Nov to March are played on mud heaps and this encourages teams to have monster packs and use the kick to corner and rolling maul tries as their main weapon. Now the firmer grounds are back teams like Pirates , Bedford  and now Jersey are playing the way they like to play best. It makes for a much better product for those spectators who are not old school purists who only like forward play. Of course Ealing and Bristol have decent surfaces all year round.

Video of Bedford v Pirates on Saturday here:- /www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVNlGTi5Klw
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Originally posted by Brizzer Brizzer wrote:

Yes, once you get a reputation for a 1 dimentional game, it is really hard to lose that tag. Probably one of the strangest shouts that I have heard this season was from the Blues fans chanting 'boring boring Jersey' as we ran in 5 tries, only 1 of which was from a RM. The Blues on the other hand tried on many occasions to rumble over from a catch and drive and didn't get close.
We still use the RM as a weapon (why wouldn't you), but the vast majority of our tries are coming from open play and are being scored by the backs.
A tiny minority of Blues fans Brizzer! I thought Jersey and Pirates were the two most watchable sides to visit Goldington Road this season; apart from Bedford of course. Glad to set the standard.
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Originally posted by Cricks at 2 Cricks at 2 wrote:

Originally posted by Brizzer Brizzer wrote:

Yes, once you get a reputation for a 1 dimentional game, it is really hard to lose that tag. Probably one of the strangest shouts that I have heard this season was from the Blues fans chanting 'boring boring Jersey' as we ran in 5 tries, only 1 of which was from a RM. The Blues on the other hand tried on many occasions to rumble over from a catch and drive and didn't get close.
We still use the RM as a weapon (why wouldn't you), but the vast majority of our tries are coming from open play and are being scored by the backs.
A tiny minority of Blues fans Brizzer! I thought Jersey and Pirates were the two most watchable sides to visit Goldington Road this season; apart from Bedford of course. Glad to set the standard.

Always happy to follow that standard Cricks, I could watch your backs run their lines all day long. Let's hops that we get the opportunity to watch them both in the final of the B&I and decide which is better...over a libation or two of course
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