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    Posted: 01 Aug 2017 at 17:32
Nigel Melville outlines the changes in the player registration system which increases the number of academy players that can move from Premiership to Championship, N1 & N2 clubs. He wants to see more get experience in the Championship as there are already many at National One clubs.





Edited by Allan Foster - 01 Aug 2017 at 17:35
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PiffPaff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Aug 2017 at 18:01
So potentially a big fight between Fylde & Caldy to sign 10 EAPs from Sharks assuming they have 10 available and a few of them aren't part of the missing link at Sale FC.

With Mr Spragg in charge I assume Fylde will head the Q?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fake_Shemp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Aug 2017 at 18:31
Potentially good news for Mowden if fringe Newcastle Falcons players such as Adam Radwan and Simon Uzokwe (who played regularly for DMP last season) continue to be available and don't, despite superb play for the Sevens, make a breakthrough into the regular Premiership 23.

With a senior squad of around 45 at Kingston Park, there will be quite a few players who need playing time and will not, unless Blaydon and National 2 North is preferable, be able to get it anywhere closer. There are 11 in the Academy, including Radwan and Uzokwe, all but one of whom could be available for Mowden.


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Remember that there is a much larger A league this season so don't be surprised if the AP clubs aren't looking for more players to fill their fixtures like the normally do it is hard to imagine that there will be loads of dual regg players turning out for teMs this year with this scenario
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Aug 2017 at 20:08
How many EAP players are there?

I thought the premiership were limited to 15 academy players. Not sure how many at Bristol or Leeds.
With 60 clubs looking to borrow players, they can only expect 3 each.

How many players who need to start a season in National 2 would be ready to move up to Nat 1 in a season, let alone to Championship or Premiership.

Personally I think they should be registered to a single playing club (not the host of the academy) so the club can rely on them being there all season and properly integrate them into the squad. Otherwise I is not fair on th eplayers who have to give way to make room.


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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

How many EAP players are there?

I thought the premiership were limited to 15 academy players. Not sure how many at Bristol or Leeds.
With 60 clubs looking to borrow players, they can only expect 3 each.

How many players who need to start a season in National 2 would be ready to move up to Nat 1 in a season, let alone to Championship or Premiership.

Personally I think they should be registered to a single playing club (not the host of the academy) so the club can rely on them being there all season and properly integrate them into the squad. Otherwise I is not fair on th eplayers who have to give way to make room.




That is easy to achieve - no one forces a club to sign DR or loan players from a higher club, it is their choice to do so.
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On another thread, quite a few people suggesting Tynedale are National 2 North promotion contenders. Maybe they know something we don't?
 
If the Falcons are seeking a National 2 North hook up, Tynedale would seem as viable as Blaydon?
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Originally posted by Alderman Alderman wrote:

On another thread, quite a few people suggesting Tynedale are National 2 North promotion contenders. Maybe they know something we don't?
 
If the Falcons are seeking a National 2 North hook up, Tynedale would seem as viable as Blaydon?
Tynedale is only 25 minutes away from Kingston Park, a much shorter journey than the (approximately) 60 minute trip to the other side of the Tyne.

Edit: I was looking at public transport. By car (and the same will probably apply to coach), Crow Trees is only a 10 minute drive south of Kingston Park, whereas Tynedale RFC is 25 minutes to the west. Darlington is about 50 minutes away, but I don't know how much travelling time will factor into these decisions compared to standard of play. As a coach, I'd rather have the Academy players spend time at the highest level possible, in this case National 1.


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Originally posted by Fake_Shemp Fake_Shemp wrote:

Originally posted by Alderman Alderman wrote:

On another thread, quite a few people suggesting Tynedale are National 2 North promotion contenders. Maybe they know something we don't?
 
If the Falcons are seeking a National 2 North hook up, Tynedale would seem as viable as Blaydon?
Tynedale is only 25 minutes away from Kingston Park, a much shorter journey than the (approximately) 60 minute trip to the other side of the Tyne.
 
I always believed a Club can only take players on loan from a Club that is within 2 leagues of that Club. i.e. the Premiership is more than 2 leagues above Nat 2 therefore Blaydon cannot take any players on loan from Newcastle.
Looks like this may now be scrapped for England Academy Players. Also, it would seem that Premiership Clubs can only make loans to Championship Clubs. This would rule out DMP taking any of Newcastle's surplus unless they are EAP's.


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Originally posted by Nigel Melville Nigel Melville wrote:

EAPs may now simultaneously be registered with one club at each level between Levels 1 to 4 and there will no longer be a cap on the number of clubs that an EAP can move between in any one season.
 
There's nothing like team building and developing a club mentality. It's a bit like players asking to be paid for painting the posts - no loyalty except to back pocket.
 
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I say boy, I say I'll take the whole England team or Lichfield Ladies
 
Stranger things have happened, what famous names will turn up lower down in Nat 1/2?


Edited by FHLH - 02 Aug 2017 at 14:06
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EAPs may now simultaneously be registered with one club at each level between Levels 1 to 4 and there will no longer be a cap on the number of clubs that an EAP can move between in any one season.  All EAP registrations at Level 4 and below will continue to require approval by the RFU Head of Academies.
 
INTERESTING POINT WHO DECIDES WHERE THEY GO?

So it seems that EAPs can now be dr'd with as many clubs as they like in a season up to transfer deadline and loan players can make as many switches as they like up to transfer deadline day.
 
 
Another thing with 10 potential EQPs why do clubs need to have as many static players in their squad?
 
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rabbie Burns Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Aug 2017 at 22:48
The amount of loans is only between AP and Championship. If I have read it correctly nat 1 remains the same 3 times
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote billesleyexile Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Aug 2017 at 08:23
Originally posted by Rabbie Burns Rabbie Burns wrote:

The amount of loans is only between AP and Championship. If I have read it correctly nat 1 remains the same 3 times

No Nat 1 is moving to 10 as well. From the link:

"Greene King IPA Championship clubs (Level 2) may select up to 10 EAPs (previously up to six); and Level 3 clubs may select up to 10 EAPs (previously up to four)."


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Placing an EAP at a club is a good idea at my view, but it really needs to be for a full season - Non of this in for a few weeks then out again.  It pees off club players and causes much disruption to all.

A very BAD idea to have up to 10 flitting in and out.

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Originally posted by backrowb backrowb wrote:

Placing an EAP at a club is a good idea at my view, but it really needs to be for a full season.A very BAD idea to have up to 10 flitting in and out.


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But what does Melville know about National league rugby? Anyone got a brief CV on what drives him to this?

Answered my own question - Otley, Wakefield, Wasps, England, USA - so no exposure to the bottom of the pyramid!

Clearly RFU is now just about England and Rhubarb the rest


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Originally posted by backrowb backrowb wrote:


A very BAD idea to have up to 10 flitting in and out.


Indeed, however while not supporting the proposals I doubt it'll happen except in extremis. Far more likely IMO that players will still be raided the other way to make up the numbers in the A league.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kingsheathlad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Aug 2017 at 13:42
Originally posted by billesleyexile billesleyexile wrote:

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A very BAD idea to have up to 10 flitting in and out.



Indeed, however while not supporting the proposals I doubt it'll happen except in extremis. Far more likely IMO that players will still be raided the other way to make up the numbers in the A league.
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Buster Lawerence played for Worcester last weekend in the Prem sevens apparently so one wonders if it could work both ways and some play in the'A' league.
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