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    Posted: 14 Sep 2021 at 14:27
I like to have a browse of the disciplinary decisions on the RFU site to see what the panel is coming down on and there are already quite few in there but this one is a cracker 


The RP argument seems to have been that if the other player who was taken in the air wasn't there then there wouldn't have been a tackle and therefore no offence

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We found the following: 1. The Player chased a box kick. 2. He showed an awareness of 2 opponent players by running and threading through them as he chased the ball. 3 He ought to have been aware of the presence of his victim opponent. It was manifestly obvious that he could have expected an opponent to have positioned himself to catch the ball. 4. The Player decided to pay no regard to whether there was such a player there. 5. In the Player's mind, his opponent "wasn't there." 6. In our judgement this was a grossly reckless and manifestly dangerous move. It is simply unacceptable for a Player to say that his single mindedness is such that nothing and no one else matters. He ought to have been aware iof his opponent. Had he done so, he would, as countless others do, have stopped, waited for his opponent to complete his catch and then lawfully tackle him in a recognised way.* 7. The effect of player's recklessness was that he charged into his opponent who had already lifted into the air. He could not have been in a more vulnerable position. 8. The impact of this caused the victim to topple over and land, from height, directly onto his head. 

* After we had delivered our decision, we were surprised that Mr Evans, who having expressed himself as bewildered by our decision, asked what he was supposed to tell other players who find themselves in such a position. Notwithstanding this highly unorthodox expression of disapproval of our decision which we do not expect to ever be repeated, we should emphasise that we are not a coaching advisory panel and that any need for learning ought to be directed at others. Given the circumstances and the highly dangerous event in this case, we recommend that the RFU makes contact with the Club to ensure that what has happened here is not something that has resulted from a particular coaching technique. This should be done as matter of urgency. Equally, we would urge the Club to reflect as to its own approach to these proceedings

I think RP may be getting a knock on the door from the RFU to put them straight on this


Edited by Shamrose - 14 Sep 2021 at 16:17
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote marigold Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Sep 2021 at 16:02
You omitted to mention that RP were also admonished for telling the RFU the red carded player was not selected the next week due to his sending off, when in fact he was not allowed to be selected as he had been concussed. Would not like to be the next RP player up before the beak.....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Steve@Mose Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Sep 2021 at 18:47
That is quite shocking to read.  It would appear that Mr Addams was put into an impossible situation by his club's officials and given some very bad advice/guidance on his plea.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote omnes Paviores Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Sep 2021 at 22:55
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Hopefully the Rosslyn Reps will learn that Rugby Union has moved on towards a more modern understanding

No longer, can Boards/Committees sit on their thrones and think they have influence over the authorities because through history they were a 'superior' club who could pull strings.

Hopefully the player will not offend again but I bet if he did he will refuse support from alicadoos

I only wish the RFU had the balls to reprimand those officials. Nod nod and a wink no longer prevails 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote WEvans Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 hours 30 minutes ago at 16:23
Having read the full verdict it is pleasing to see that the disciplinary panel's view of the player's conduct prior to and at the hearing was "Exemplary. The Player was a model participant."

It's a shame that some of his 12 week ban could not have been given to the two club idiots who represented him.

As the saying goes with friends like these who needs enemies.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 hours 10 minutes ago at 19:43
Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Having read the full verdict it is pleasing to see that the disciplinary panel's view of the player's conduct prior to and at the hearing was "Exemplary. The Player was a model
participant."

It's a shame that some of his 12 week ban could not have been given to the two club idiots who represented him.

As the saying goes with friends like these who needs enemies.


Or those that advised him to appeal - to get 12 weeks indicates it was at the serious end of offences?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Steve@Mose Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 hours 15 minutes ago at 20:38
This has stuck with me the last few days:

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* After we had delivered our decision, we were surprised that Mr Evans, who having expressed himself as bewildered by our decision, asked what he was supposed to tell other players who find themselves in such a position. Notwithstanding this highly unorthodox expression of disapproval of our decision which we do not expect to ever be repeated, we should emphasise that we are not a coaching advisory panel and that any need for learning ought to be directed at others. Given the circumstances and the highly dangerous event in this case, we recommend that the RFU makes contact with the Club to ensure that what has happened here is not something that has resulted from a particular coaching technique. This should be done as matter of urgency. Equally, we would urge the Club to reflect as to its own approach to these proceedings.

A Rassie Erasmus moment from Mr Evans?  Hopefully this is something which won't be replicated by other coaches/officials.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Lord_Kitchener Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 8 hours 35 minutes ago at 23:18
Originally posted by Steve@Mose Steve@Mose wrote:

This has stuck with me the last few days:

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* After we had delivered our decision, we were surprised that Mr Evans, who having expressed himself as bewildered by our decision, asked what he was supposed to tell other players who find themselves in such a position. Notwithstanding this highly unorthodox expression of disapproval of our decision which we do not expect to ever be repeated, we should emphasise that we are not a coaching advisory panel and that any need for learning ought to be directed at others. Given the circumstances and the highly dangerous event in this case, we recommend that the RFU makes contact with the Club to ensure that what has happened here is not something that has resulted from a particular coaching technique. This should be done as matter of urgency. Equally, we would urge the Club to reflect as to its own approach to these proceedings.

A Rassie Erasmus moment from Mr Evans?  Hopefully this is something which won't be replicated by other coaches/officials.

You’re comparing Rassie to a bunch of clowns. Hardly in the same league.
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