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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 May 2012 at 14:40

The politics of county rugby.

Are the lower clubs now being overlooked?

I know Lancs this year have had 2 replacement hookers on the bench. 1 having an arm injury, the other back at his former club in a coaching role.

Waterloo's captain Alex Croft kept a certain Mr Rylance out of the Waterloo team until he moved on to pastures new. Alex should be playing at a higher level yet hasn't had a sniff of county rugby.

Seems its never what you know.

Anyway its probably for the best, I wouldn't want him to be the next Fylde recruit.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 May 2012 at 14:47
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I agree entirely with your sentiments.
 
I would have thought the best way to uphold the tradition of the County Championship would be to give some of the up and coming players in level 5 and 6 clubs a crack, but for some reason I cannot fathom that does not seem to have occurred to the Lancashire selectors.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 May 2012 at 15:01
Agreed.
 
A county call up for a level 4,5 & 6 player would probably be the highlight of their career and a goal at that level.
 
I wonder how Joel Tomkins views it in terms of his rugby achievements.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 May 2012 at 16:00
Its up to each County how they go about their business. Fylde use Lancashire to attract players to their club and it works well for them and the county is successful. Hertfordshire are coached by OA's Shanahan and they have close links with Saracens. Again it would surprise me if OA's get some duel registered players from them next season but they too will use the county to sign some players I'm sure. They have their old scrum half playing for the county and i believe he has left his current club. Im sure some players are excited to play against a player like Joel Tomkins as well.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 May 2012 at 17:40
Morton out injured, gutted for him
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 2012 at 11:34
Morton injured - does that mean another Fylde player in??

It is slightly ridiculous. Its not like Fylde are leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else. OK they are a good team but this selection totally detracts from the whole point of the County Championship does it not? 

Surely players should be rewarded for playing well at their respective clubs, not just rewarded for playing for Fylde.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 2012 at 11:51
Fylde's Grant Ferguson is now on the bench.

Like any sporting competition the point of entering it is to win it which Lancashire seem to do on a regular basis.

The best player in each position should be selected for he county although it will help if players re used to playing with each other. Selection may also be dependant on the gameplan to be adopted.

Not all players make themselves available and some will have other commitments that preclude them from playing in some or all of the games.

Which players would you not pick and who would you put in their place?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 2012 at 15:19
16 Fylde players in the Lancashire side does seem a bit excessive to me. However Lancashire are obviously content with the situation and of course it does mean that there are only 6 more players for Nellie to recruit
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 2012 at 17:06
Is it going to be on TV?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 2012 at 18:46
Observer - that is the point, trying to approach from an objective point of view I would suggest these are not the best players in each position. The team is not chosen from an objective view point though is it? 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 2012 at 21:42
If you look back at the County Championship over the years, some Counties have always heavily featured players from one club in their area - usually the dominant one. 

I have a Warwickshire programme from the 70's where 14 of the 15 players are from Coventry; another where Moseley supplied the majority of the North Midlands XV; Gosforth dominated certain Northumberland sides over the year and Wakefield supplied at least a third or more of the Yorkshire side in the 80's and 90's. 

So Lancashire's policy isn't anything new or something to get excited about.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 2012 at 22:40
Originally posted by dropgoal dropgoal wrote:

Observer - that is the point, trying to approach from an objective point of view I would suggest these are not the best players in each position. The team is not chosen from an objective view point though is it?

As Observer asks, what changes would you make to strengthen the side? Are you sure these players are available? I questioned Cornwall's selection on a couple of occasions this season (once to the detriment of a player from the side I follow) only to hear that the player I considered superior wasn't available for selection.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 2012 at 23:20
Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

If you look back at the County Championship over the years, some Counties have always heavily featured players from one club in their area - usually the dominant one. 

I have a Warwickshire programme from the 70's where 14 of the 15 players are from Coventry; another where Moseley supplied the majority of the North Midlands XV; Gosforth dominated certain Northumberland sides over the year and Wakefield supplied at least a third or more of the Yorkshire side in the 80's and 90's. 

So Lancashire's policy isn't anything new or something to get excited about.  


It used to be Orrell plus Gallagher from Waterloo
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 May 2012 at 12:06
Originally posted by Big Eddie Big Eddie wrote:

16 Fylde players in the Lancashire side does seem a bit excessive to me. However Lancashire are obviously content with the situation and of course it does mean that there are only 6 more players for Nellie to recruit

Somewhat disingenuous for Nelson to complain in TRP that it was Lancashire vs Saracens - only 5 Sarries  - how many Fylde = 15 plus coachesAngry? starting to lose what friends he had in the South with his constant moaning - not that will lose him any sleep. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 May 2012 at 12:44
Hertfordshire 38 - 20 Lancashire
Champions for the first time!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 May 2012 at 13:29
Originally posted by Billywindsock Billywindsock wrote:

Hertfordshire 38 - 20 Lancashire
Champions for the first time!

Well done Hertfordshire, what a great way for Shanners to cap an already successful season.

If a team who scra-ped through a home pool match and lost an away match won the final by such a margin, maybe the county rugby power balance is shifting south.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 May 2012 at 13:32
just desserts thenClap
was told ,at the end of 16/17 we will not see you next season but we will the one after .think not otley
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 May 2012 at 13:34
Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Somewhat disingenuous for Nelson to complain in TRP that it was Lancashire vs Saracens - only 5 Sarries  - how many Fylde = 15 plus coachesAngry? starting to lose what friends he had in the South with his constant moaning - not that will lose him any sleep. 

Unless they came on leaps and bounds since the Cornwall game, he is clutching at straws to use this as an excuse for losing. Saunders sounded useful in the loose, but he and the other "Sarries" prop for Hertfordshire were dominated by the Cornish scrum. The word from a few of the players was that the 2 backs with the impressive CVs were two of the less dangerous backs they had to offer.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 May 2012 at 14:58
Well done to Herts. There but for a coat of paint ......
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 May 2012 at 15:07
Originally posted by Redhead Redhead wrote:

Well done to Herts. There but for a coat of paint ......

I'm sure that sentiment won't be lost on the players when they hear the result, I'm sure they would have relished the opportunity to put one over higher level opposition.

Any thoughts from those who were at the game? Hard to read too much into a score line, but it strikes me as strange that Fylde's pack weren't able to starve Hertfordshire of the ball and at least keep things close.
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