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castleparknight ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Jun 2012 Location: Doncaster Status: Offline Points: 1497 |
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I caught sight of the spit but looking at the angle of the spit, after leaving his mouth, in relation to the last known position of the player on the ground it would appear not to be at him, and I think that is the grounds for the denial.
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Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny!
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kingsheathlad ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Jan 2010 Location: Haselor. Status: Offline Points: 2019 |
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Spitsgate.!
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Cauliflower ear
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No 7 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Oct 2011 Location: LONDON Status: Offline Points: 1244 |
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Really ! Are you looking at the same footage? |
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Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.
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Camquin ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 6583 |
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And therein lies the difficulty - two people can view footage differently.
Because the citing is effectively a red card, even though there is a disciplinary panel which can overturn the decision, the citing commissioner must be sure the evidence is clear. |
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islander ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 17 Mar 2010 Location: jersey Status: Offline Points: 4525 |
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I agree Cq = not clear-cut. It certainly appears clear that spittle/phlegm emerges from his gob, but sometimes people do involuntarily release like this, especially when they are animated and/or puffing and/or shouting. They may not actually mean to direct their DNA at someone. I guess it is in determining this intention that the challenge for the 'prosecution' lies, as I don't believe it's like gouging, where any contact with the eye area would be actionable whether or not it was intentional.
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No 7 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Oct 2011 Location: LONDON Status: Offline Points: 1244 |
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Put it in context , he is prepared to tread on a players ankle and turn it into the ground with his full weight !. It could be construed as a complete accident but it is deliberate, premeditated, an incredibly cowardly action. He is mouthing off looking directly down at the prone player. The clearly visible spitting is not involuntary, the sheer quantity of spit is visible on the footage. Thomas Young`s reaction was immediate he was on the floor and when he was spat on he leapt up off the floor he ( illegally) tackled Ward to the ground. He floored Ward without hesitation, does anyone have an opinion as to why he reacted in that way ?. Could it be that he had just been spat on ?. https://streamable.com/t6j8m
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Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.
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backrowb ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 07 Nov 2013 Location: Gods own county Status: Offline Points: 1330 |
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Young immediately spun up onto his feet. If there had been any large force or weight on his ankle it would have broken.
Young was uninjured. It wasn't nice but I have seen much worse. Laminini on Hughes eg |
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Raider999 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 18 Jan 2013 Location: Crawley Status: Offline Points: 2433 |
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Time to agree to disagree and move on?
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RAID ON
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WEvans ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 08 Dec 2016 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 303 |
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Indeed. No action from the citing officer but a ban from Quins for being a prat if nothing else.
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JonDee ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 25 May 2007 Location: Nottingam Status: Offline Points: 1201 |
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Could I make a point I have worked with a lot of lower level clubs who have a big problem attracting new kids to the game, without them these clubs will slowly fail . One of the major attractions of rugby over especially football is the discipline , respect for others and respect for officials. These actions along with a number of others over the recent 12 months by the !!!!! professionals which are given a large amount of main stream press are seriously affecting the lower level clubs attempts to bring in new players
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Maskedchicken ![]() First XV regular ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Feb 2017 Location: Not Given Status: Offline Points: 113 |
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How brittle are your bones/joints? Did Guildford ever say anything or just keep quiet in the hope it would blow over? I can’t imagine many family friendly clubs (I’m not sure Guildford is one from experience) keeping someone who does this in the spotlight to be a role model for the mini and youth section |
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WEvans ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 08 Dec 2016 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 303 |
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A bizarre post just to have a dig at Guildford? How could Guildford keep the incident quiet in the hope it would blow over when it was plastered all over the media?
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Maskedchicken ![]() First XV regular ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Feb 2017 Location: Not Given Status: Offline Points: 113 |
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Sorry WEvans if you think my post was bizarre. Is there a reason for that?
I thought I made a valid point just like JonDee before me. Players are role models and the rugby community has always been proud to point out that our game is not like football and played in the right manner. Dave Ward in my opinion fell foul of that and as head coach at a community rugby club is a role model to the mini and youth section. Did Guildford say anything about the incident or just close their eyes? I am guessing the latter but I’d love to be wrong. |
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WEvans ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 08 Dec 2016 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 303 |
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Thanks. It seems it was just to have a pop at Guildford then.
Bizarre.
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RedPete ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Jul 2010 Location: Taunton Status: Offline Points: 1114 |
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I think Maskedchicken's point was that Guildford kept quiet about the incident rather than try to keep the incident quiet, IMO a totally different thing. I almost emailed DW's Mum to hope that Santa took all his presents away as he had been a very naughty boy!
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Schadenfreude - such a big word for something so small-minded
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Surreyben ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 05 Oct 2011 Location: Surrey Status: Offline Points: 2566 |
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Given that The Rugby Paper reports today that Dave Ward is going to leave Quins and go to Yorkshire Carnegie next season, no-one at Guildford would have to worry much longer anyway... |
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Albert Fishwick ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 09 Apr 2009 Location: Leeds Status: Offline Points: 1009 |
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Deep joy.
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That's easy for you to say.
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Maskedchicken ![]() First XV regular ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Feb 2017 Location: Not Given Status: Offline Points: 113 |
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I was not aware of DW going up’t North.
Can anybody answer me 1) did Guildford make any comment about the spitting incident? 2) what does WEvans find bizarre about my post on a thread entitled “Dave Ward” which comments upon Dave Ward who is Guildford’s coach, and the fact he is a role model especially to the mini/youth section at that club? |
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WEvans ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 08 Dec 2016 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 303 |
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1) I have no idea. 2) Bearing in mind the fact that the citing officer took absolutely no mention of the two highly publicised "incidents" and the fact that neither of us know if Dave Ward (who I personally regard as an idiot on the field) is "a role model especially to the mini/youth section at that club" I find it bizarre that you seem to be trying to use your post to discredit Guildford RFC (with whom I have no connection at all). I trust this answers your second question at least and that you accept I have the right to hold an opinion.
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Maskedchicken ![]() First XV regular ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Feb 2017 Location: Not Given Status: Offline Points: 113 |
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No, you are wrong. Whatever you say, he absolutely IS a role model. I am surprised you don’t think a professional player and the head coach at a community rugby club should be a role model.
So yes have an opinion but I truly hope you are in a tiny minority that think like that because I would not want my son playing at a club where the head coach of the 1st team - who absolutely IS a role model - acts in that way. And this is why I simply asked if Guildford made a statement. What a “bizarre” comment ![]() |
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