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Originally posted by Fudgepacker Fudgepacker wrote:

It will be January 2021 at the earliest. Probably now more likely September 2021. That's been blindingly obvious for months.


I hope supporters are allowed back as well.

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I know some clubs are saying December. The sooner they get the vaccine out, the better we can end this nonsense and get back to the sport we love.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sid James Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 2020 at 08:16
Last Sunday there was a Super League match between Salford and Hull FC (That's Rugby League to you southerners!). BBC News is reporting that after the match, 6 Hull FC Players and 2 Coaching Staff tested positive for Covid-19. They are now enforcing quarantine etc.
I assume that none of the 8 involved were unwell or showed any symptoms prior to the match as they would not have been playing. I assume that the players will also have been previously tested as 'negative' in training and in the days prior to the match. I aslo don't think this was a reason for Hull's heavy defeat.
 
I think this is an example of the probability that many of us may be carrying the virus but not be affected at all, much in the same way that we may carry a cold or flu but not feel unwell.
Now that we are having more testing generally, more cases are being found, as you would expect with more testing but, what they don't say is that those being tested and found positive are not feeling unwell or showing symptoms.
Is this not evidence that testing, quarantine and lockdown measures do not work at all? It may be evidence that unless we are all tested, on a daily basis, we will never be certain of anything, and that will not happen.
Could be that the restrictions are pointless and we should just get on with life?


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 2020 at 13:19
Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:


Last Sunday there was a Super League match between Salford and Hull FC (That's Rugby League to you southerners!). BBC News is reporting that after the match, 6 Hull FC Players and 2 Coaching Staff tested positive for Covid-19. They are now enforcing quarantine etc.
I assume that none of the 8 involved were unwell or showed any symptoms prior to the match as they would not have been playing. I assume that the players will also have been previously tested as 'negative' in training and in the days prior to the match. I aslo don't think this was a reason for Hull's heavy defeat.
 
I think this is an example of the probability that many of us may be carrying the virus but not be affected at all, much in the same way that we may carry a cold or flu but not feel unwell.
Now that we are having more testing generally, more cases are being found, as you would expect with more testing but, what they don't say is that those being tested and found positive are not feeling unwell or showing symptoms.
Is this not evidence that testing, quarantine and lockdown measures do not work at all? It may be evidence that unless we are all tested, on a daily basis, we will never be certain of anything, and that will not happen.
Could be that the restrictions are pointless and we should just get on with life?





I have never been tested, nor has my wife. My mother was admitted to hospital yesterday and was tested on arrival.

My wife and I could get a test as we are key workers, but what would it prove - just at that point of time we did/didn't have the virus.

More important to me is whether I have had the virus or not. Until this test is widely available or a vaccine is widely available we are in the Unknown.

As for everyone being tested daily - logistically this could never happen, but monthly would be a start.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 2020 at 13:34
At this point C1-19 is killing fewer people than 'flu which we have lived with for years.
There was a big risk three or four months ago that it would be significantly worse ad overwhelm the health services.
Also it it exteremely age related - the risk of serious illness and death go up more steeply with age that all other cuases of death.

it does nto look like it is going away - and it is likely more novel viruses will follow.

If we cannot find a way to have competitive sport with an audience this winter - we may never have competitive sport again.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sid James Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 2020 at 13:56
Local News suggests that one Hull FC player went to the Hospital with his new born child a day or two before the match and unknowingly came away with the virus. The player went in for physio etc prior to the match and passed on the virus. No news of anyone having any symptoms or feeling unwell.
This could happen to anyone at any time.

The risk in overwhelming the NHS with new cases is Governments big worry. Previous experience has proved that isolating a virus in a General Hospital is very difficult. So, why are Covid patients still being admitted to General Hospitals and not in isolation in one of the many 'Nightingale' or special Units that have been set up? 

How can we start Rugby again if any Player who has to visit a Hospital, for any reason, will then have to quarantine for 10 days, just to be on the safe side. 



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Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

Local News suggests that one Hull FC player went to the Hospital with his new born child a day or two before the match and unknowingly came away with the virus. The player went in for physio etc prior to the match and passed on the virus. No news of anyone having any symptoms or feeling unwell.
This could happen to anyone at any time.

The risk in overwhelming the NHS with new cases is Governments big worry. Previous experience has proved that isolating a virus in a General Hospital is very difficult. So, why are Covid patients still being admitted to General Hospitals and not in isolation in one of the many 'Nightingale' or special Units that have been set up? 

How can we start Rugby again if any Player who has to visit a Hospital, for any reason, will then have to quarantine for 10 days, just to be on the safe side. 





Assuming the reports are correct, it is very worrying.

I totally agree with you regarding the use of Nightingales for Covid, leaving existing hospitals for normal use
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DICKON Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 2020 at 18:14
I had Covid in March, and am now on a 20 year programme of testing with the NHS following an antibody test that showed I still have strong antibodies 5 months later. I isolated as prescribed when it happened, though wasn't tested at the time cos the 2 main symptoms reported back then were problems breathing and a cough, which I did not have - I  have not had a day off work ill in a decade, but this virus gave me

- a constant, blinding headache
- upset stomach
- loss of appetite
- tight chest
- alternate fever and chills
- chronically aching kidneys so bad I couldn't sit down
- utter exhaustion so I was falling asleep during the day
- severe cramp all over my body
- total loss of taste and smell for a month or so

The worst of this was over in around 10 days, but I would not want to suffer this again. Flu bares no comparison to Covid 19, and I think our best chance of a full return to action is a vaccine, which may take out the whole season. At best, I cannot see us safely returning before 2021 - I hope I am wrong, but I doubt it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sid James Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 2020 at 22:38
Originally posted by DICKON DICKON wrote:

I had Covid in March, and am now on a 20 year programme of testing with the NHS following an antibody test that showed I still have strong antibodies 5 months later. I isolated as prescribed when it happened, though wasn't tested at the time cos the 2 main symptoms reported back then were problems breathing and a cough, which I did not have - I  have not had a day off work ill in a decade, but this virus gave me

- a constant, blinding headache
- upset stomach
- loss of appetite
- tight chest
- alternate fever and chills
- chronically aching kidneys so bad I couldn't sit down
- utter exhaustion so I was falling asleep during the day
- severe cramp all over my body
- total loss of taste and smell for a month or so

The worst of this was over in around 10 days, but I would not want to suffer this again. Flu bares no comparison to Covid 19, and I think our best chance of a full return to action is a vaccine, which may take out the whole season. At best, I cannot see us safely returning before 2021 - I hope I am wrong, but I doubt it.
Dickon, hope you are ok now.
You say you were not tested and you provide a list of the issues you suffered through having this virus.
The Hull players who tested positive after the match probably had none of the problems you had when tested and, none before and during the match as they would not have been fit enough to take the field and play.
This really does cloud the issue further as a positive Covid test appears to be no guarantee of feeling/being ill. 
I agree with you that we will probably not play until 2021 but still hoping for a November start.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Aug 2020 at 17:32
Well Cambridge pre-season got off to a poor start losing to the 3rds.

The 1st XV batted first and scored 136 and the thirds led by Stef chased it down with two balls to spare.
Hopefully we can play some rugby soon. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rabbie Burns Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Aug 2020 at 19:41
Read that news and it’s good to see that most clubs are of the same thoughts
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote castleparknight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Aug 2020 at 07:22
Seems like a sensible weighted approach - I think that 15 matches should be suitable to weigh up performance for promotion / relegation for the one season only though. And if you could get matches over the Christmas / New Year I think the gates would benefit somewhat too.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote workerbee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Aug 2020 at 09:20
15 matches is not a good idea especially if you have 8 away and 7 home and the matches away are the hardest in the league.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Aug 2020 at 11:35
Originally posted by workerbee workerbee wrote:

15 matches is not a good idea especially if you have 8 away and 7 home and the matches away are the hardest in the league.



Or your away games are the majority of the longer distance ones.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mark W-J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Aug 2020 at 12:10
We lived with it for the first ten years of league rugby, and everyone accepted the outcome.  I'd rather have a truncated season than nothing at all.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Aug 2020 at 12:46
Will Leeds be able to put a side out.
If they pull out you might get 6 home games - though there would be one less relegation spot.
Even so I expect it to be four down - so p9ossibly three pus Leeds.

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If it goes to a reduced season will there be any relegation?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Aug 2020 at 14:05
That was the discussion, should we hold station and treat this season as organised freindlies or should this season count. 
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