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    Posted: 06 Oct 2009 at 15:36
Rugby Lions play Broadstreet on Friday night.
 
I make it the grounds are about 7 miles apart.
 
I would be interested to know which English National League grounds in the same division this season are closer to each other than that (I have been adding more provisos as I went along...).
 
As the crow flies certainly accepted (edited to add this after GB13's post below).


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2009 at 15:53
As the crow flies Moseley to the Bees 3 miles
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2009 at 16:04
Barnes / Rosslyn Park = 1.3miles according to the AA
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2009 at 16:24
London Scottish / Richmond = No miles. Does this count as they share the same ground????
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2009 at 16:36

Outside the heights of the National leagues,

Northampton Casuals, Northampton Old Scouts and Old Northamptonians under a mile covering the 3 and just don`t they all Heart each other ! Ouch

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2009 at 16:52
suppose I'll be disqualified as they are no longer in the same division Wink but 10.7 mile club to combe

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2009 at 16:54
Originally posted by Caveman13 Caveman13 wrote:

Outside the heights of the National leagues,

Northampton Casuals, Northampton Old Scouts and Old Northamptonians under a mile covering the 3 and just don`t they all Heart each other ! Ouch



Don't us locals just know that too!!! But outside National Leagues there will no doubt be very many very close neighbours (if not to match the dozens of poofball clubs whose home ground is Hackney Marshes...)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2009 at 16:56
Originally posted by Exiled_Scots Exiled_Scots wrote:

London Scottish / Richmond = No miles. Does this count as they share the same ground????


It would of course be the humdinger of all local derbies but no longer in the same division, and perhaps not for next year or two...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2009 at 21:41
Originally posted by hammer hammer wrote:

But outside National Leagues there will no doubt be very many very close neighbours 

a certain disrespect for East London there......Hackney RFC rules OK  (still aching from playing at Twickenham)  Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 2009 at 08:22
Originally posted by Barnyard Dawg Barnyard Dawg wrote:

Originally posted by hammer hammer wrote:

But outside National Leagues there will no doubt be very many very close neighbours 

a certain disrespect for East London there......Hackney RFC rules OK  (still aching from playing at Twickenham)  Wink
 
Totally no disrespect - I'm from Ilford...
 
The Hackney ref was purely for the soccer analogy. Hackney RFC never entered my sights and the likes of them (and Ilford Wanderers) are to be applauded in every respect.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 2009 at 08:48
Ealing to Richmond 5.9 miles
Richmond to Rosslyn Park 3.4 miles 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 2009 at 09:40
There is a prepondernace of grounds in SW London - due to the availability of open ground near railway stations in the late 19th Century.  LW, LS Richmond, Rosslyn Park, Barnes, Kew, St Marys and Imerial Medics, Centaurs, Grasshoppers Civil Service, Parliamentarians etc. 

Rugby seemed to gravitate there - while the round ball game found space to the East on the marches. 

Outside the smoke - Hull and Hull Ionians must be close as are Darlington and Mowden Park and Clifton and Dings are not that far apart. 

The RFU site ttells me there are twenty clubs closer to my house than Cambridge RUFC - most of these have the word College in their name but I do not think that counts. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 2009 at 12:17
A decade ago when Norwich were in the National Leagues it was 7 miles from us.  Both clubs on the same road though.  Now our derby game is 35 miles to Diss
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 2009 at 17:31
I measured Hull/Hull Ionians as 11 miles with Ionians being out at Brantingham.

Walsham/Norwich on the same road opens  new avenue - Stourbridge/Dudley Kindswinford though not fitting my criteria.

And the best(?) one nearly - Kendal/Bedford, but the Blues are not actually on the A6, darnit.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 2009 at 17:58
Slightly off topic, but I have always taken an interest in how clubs seem to favour one side of a city rather than another. South Manchester/Stockport is an example, there must be 14 or so clubs in that neck of the words.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 2009 at 18:21
Originally posted by FixSec FixSec wrote:

Barnes / Rosslyn Park = 1.3miles according to the AA
I bet that back door to front door it's under a mile. AA mileage written for for Clarkson's petrol heads. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 2009 at 19:07

Richard,

Interesting point you make especially the South Manchester statement but if you look earlier in time we see something totally different within the city.

Well before my time in the late 50s and early 60s North Manchester was the hot bed of rugby union in the city where within a one mile radius (more or less) you had Broughton Park (now in Chorlton), Manchester (now in Cheadle), Prestwich (Now in Failsworth as North Manchester), and Middleton (Now in Failsworth as North Manchester).

You also had lower down the pecking order at the time De la Salle, Broughton and Sedgley Park who have stayed in general to their original home.

Just outside that Scottish mile radius you also had Eccles, and Bury.
  

If you chuck in Rugby League clubs that were in the same area at the time Salford RFLC, Swinton Lions RFLC and Broughton Rangers RFLC, it is clear that there was a great deal of Rugby being played by local lads in a small area each Saturday.

It would be nice to see that intensity of rugby returning to this part of the city.

We can only hope.

Sorry for going off topic
 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 2009 at 20:54
No problem at all Sedge, and the Tigers have their own oddity in having played in different places but not in Sedgeley - right? I remember an article on the club (Rugby Times?) where most of the copy seemed to be devoted to the Jewish community (sorry cannot remember which sect) the ground is situated in in Prestwich (I think - doing it off the top of my head).

The migration you describe is enlightening and not one many people even in the area might have known about, I guess?




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 2009 at 21:26
Although these clubs are no longer in the same leagues it wasn't that long ago that they were at one time or another
 
Penzance (Pirates) to St.Ives  9,9 miles
Penzance (Pirates) to Hayle 7.8 miles
Penzance (Pirates) to Camborne  13.8 miles
Hayle to St Ives 5.0 miles
Camborne to Redruth 4.3 miles
Hayle to Camborne 6.0 miles
St. Ives to Camborne 11.0 miles. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Oct 2009 at 05:27
Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Slightly off topic, but I have always taken an interest in how clubs seem to favour one side of a city rather than another. South Manchester/Stockport is an example, there must be 14 or so clubs in that neck of the words.
 

At last a use for the RFU website……..or should that be another thread?

I typed in B13 (for Moseley) on the club finder on the RFU.com home page, and came up with………………none!

 

So – typed in B13 0TP and came up with:

 

1/ (ie nearest) Littlehampton RFC, WEST SUSSEX BN17

2/ Nuneaton Old Edwardians WARWICKSHIRE CV10

3/ London New Zealand Acton W3

 

Strange – checked the postcode of the club and turns out I’d transposed the ‘p’ and ‘t’. Should have been B13 0PT – but clearly it didn’t quite work!

 

Tried the real postcode and it worked. However, surely it should work better than that??

 

But – on the good side you then can have a list (quite long – guess you can narrow it down a bit?) or a map. The map makes interesting reading for the exercise in this thread and shows the distribution of clubs. Just be careful with your cursor as the map suddenly moves and you have to start all over again!

 

Did it cost much this new website?

 

Anyway, case in point is that the distribution of rugby clubs in Birmingham (and there appears to be about 50) is pretty evenly spread though perhaps a bias to the west of the city.

I then tried Sedgley Park M45 7DZ and there does indeed appear to be a preference for South Manchester………….

 

So pleased I’ve found something useful on the RFU site. Anyone else got thoughts on the new site?

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