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RFU Disciplinary: TJ Ioane, London Irish 

TJ Ioane of London Irish appeared before an independent disciplinary panel on Tuesday 25 September 2018. He was shown a red card by referee Matthew O’Grady in the second half of the Greene King IPA Championship match between London Irish and Bedford Blues on Sunday 23 September 2018. This was for dangerously tackling Alex Penny of Bedford Blues, contrary to Law 9.13.

Ioane contested the charge and it was dismissed by the panel comprising of Jeremy Summers (chair), Dr Julian Morris and Mike Tutty.

Panel chair Jeremy Summers said: “Having carefully considered the on-field position of the referee, the limited time he had to consider the incident and having heard from the Bedford player that contact was not to his head but to the ball, the panel was satisfied to the required standard that this was a rugby incident and not an act of foul play. The red card was therefore dismissed.

“The panel make clear that in reaching this decision there is no criticism of the match officials.”

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brizzer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 15:24
Interesting.
I love the fact that the 'victim' spoke honestly, which effectively led to the red card being revoked. I doubt that this would happen in certain other sports that I can think of.

Fortunately, the dismissal did not have a detrimental affect on the game.
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5 weeks ban last night for Rory Jennings of London Scottish following a citing for an unprovoked off the ball elbow to the head of to Andy Bulumakauof Coventry.

Looks like Andy is out of action for the trip to Ealing TF and potentially the next few weeks with concussion from the attack. It’ll be interesting to see whether the ban or the injury is longer.
Potentially Jake Sharp too, who also failed a pitchside HIA check
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Official result:

Rory Damant of Richmond F.C. has been given a three-week band after appearing before independent disciplinary panel.

He was cited by independent citing commissioner Danae Zamboulis following the Greene King IPA Championship match between Richmond F.C. and Nottingham R.F.C. on 20 October 2018 for dangerously tackling Gearoid Lyons of Nottingham R.F.C., contrary to Law 9.13.

Damant pleaded guilty to the charge and was given a three week suspension by the panel comprising Richard Whittam QC (chair), Mark Langley and Kylie Hutchison. The player is free to play again on 20 November 2018.

Panel chair Richard Whittam QC said: "The player accepted that although the tackle had only resulted in an on-field penalty, he reflected on the wording of law 9.13 once notified of the citing and accepted the charge.

“The tackle was reckless, it having occurred in a dynamic part of open play, and while the initial point of contact was difficult to ascertain from the video footage, the player did accept that he had made contact with the opposition player’s head. This results in a mandatory mid-range entry point under the sanction table.

“He pleaded guilty, has a clean record and was entitled to the full 50% mitigation on the basis of his submissions to the panel. The final sanction is therefore three weeks."




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 Alexander Schwarz of Cornish Pirates is due to appear before an independent disciplinary panel.

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Blair Cowan of London Irish, Charlie Clare of Bedford Blues and Adam Lee of Richmond FC are each due to appear before an independent disciplinary panel.   

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Ziana Montout-Alexis of Jersey Reds appeared before an independent disciplinary panel last night, where he received a four week ban for a dangerous tackle. 

Montout-Alexis was cited by independent citing commissioner Grant Seely for a dangerous tackle, contrary to Law 9.13. The incident occurred in the first half of the Greene King IPA Championship match between Ealing Trailfinders and Jersey Reds on Saturday 22 December 2018. 

The player was found guilty by the panel and received a four-week ban. He is free to play again on Tuesday 5 February 2019.

Panel chair Jeremy Summers commented: “The panel found that forceful contact was made to the head of an opponent player firstly with the shoulder and secondly with the player’s left arm. As required under the sanction table, this led to a mid-range entry point of six weeks. The player was not entitled to full mitigation because he contested the charge and he is therefore suspended for a period of four weeks.” 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rabbie Burns Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Jan 2019 at 19:05
You will also find that your prop on loan to Old Elthamians Cameron something was also banned (very lightly imo) at same panel for a dangerous tackle. What’s Harvey teaching these boys😜
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It’s unusual as the team tend to tackle low. Still, you get it wrong and you pay the price.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pappashanga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jan 2019 at 09:29
This business of penalising players who plead not guilty is overdone. I presume it's a carryover from the Criminal Justice system where you get credit for a Guilty plea and a lighter sentence. In that context there is more justification because it is vastly more serious and saves witnesses from stressful cross examination and vast amounts of money on long trials.
Transferring it to a sporting disciplinary tribunal is  not necessary IMHO.
However these tribunals are packed with QCs who no doubt merrily apply the rules they're used to in their working lives.
I presume it's Hollenstein on loan to OE's?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote corporalcarrot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jan 2019 at 18:46
The full RFU report with accompanying video is worth a look. Looks bang to rights to me so I'm surprised he contested it. The extra week for contesting the charge puts him out of the Irish match & the cup quarter final with Pirates.




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Reading the report he was indeed bang to rights.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote corporalcarrot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jan 2019 at 10:49
Originally posted by Pappashanga Pappashanga wrote:

Reading the report he was indeed bang to rights.
The detailed report is very informative and helps to understand where the RFU stand on high tackles. The video footage clearly shows the incident and I have to say its a bang to rights yellow card and penalty which is what I (and the referee) thought at the time. The judgement converts the yellow card into a red card which appears to be the way the RFU are going on the high tackle issue and if they really want to stamp it out sanctions like this one may well achieve the objective. Personally I don't like the present card system which causes an unbalanced contest for at least 10 minutes out of 80 and often leads to unseemly barracking by supporters who look to see a player sent off. Its particularly the case when the sanction after a series of 5 metre mauls is a penalty try and a yellow card to a defending team forward who the referee randomly selects to pay the price. I do like the penalty try in such cases without the need for the conversion but it would be better imo to make it an 8 or even a 9 point score rather than 7 and a yellow card. If the referee really wants to make an example of an obvious offender he should call time off and make the culprit do 10 push ups at all four corner flags before restarting the clock with 15 a side competing. With their small squad I hope Jersey have enough cover at prop to field full teams particularly against Irish & Pirates in the coming weeks.
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I have never understood why a penalty try is not sufficient. The game is about scoring in an even contest so why make a contest uneven for 10 mins after the reward has been given ?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pappashanga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jan 2019 at 11:17
I agree. Yellow card plus penalty try is a double punishment.The recent game where there were two yellow cards but no penalty try was very odd.Human variation.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FHLH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jan 2019 at 12:35
Originally posted by Pappashanga Pappashanga wrote:

Reading the report he was indeed bang to rights.


Looking at the video alone it was a wrap tackle (0:07 - 0:15) starting mid arm that slid up to the neck due to forward momentum and tackled player falling back and down as he is pushed. I do not see a swinging arm and a side view would have been clearer. As such I disagree with the red... it's a perennial problem with wrap tackles and height differentials. Frame by frame doubtless gives a better view. Who'd be a ref?

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