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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote corporalcarrot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Apr 2019 at 17:27

Andrew Durutalo and George Davis of Ealing Trailfinders appeared before an independent disciplinary panel.

Andrew Durutalo and George Davis of Ealing Trailfinders have been banned for three weeks after appearing before an independent disciplinary panel on Wednesday.

Both players were cited by independent citing commissioner Andrew Pearce following the Greene King IPA Championship match between Jersey Reds and Ealing Trailfinders on 13 April 2019. This was for tip tackling Nick Selway of Jersey Reds, contrary to Law 9.18. The incident occurred in the second half of the match.

Both players received a three-week ban and are free to play again on 7 May 2019.

“The panel found that the actions of the two Ealing players were reckless," said Panel chair Richard Whittam QC.

"Although the panel was satisfied that there was no intent to tackle the Jersey player in the manner that they did, the result was that the Jersey player was rotated with his legs going to the near vertical and he landed on his head and neck.

“The panel considered the mechanics of this particular tackle carefully in conjunction with the medical evidence from Jersey Reds, which confirmed no injury to their player, and determined that the appropriate entry point was low-end.

“Both players accepted that their own individual actions had met the red card threshold and accepted the charges at the earliest opportunity. They both had clear records and the panel found that they should both be given the full mitigation permissible.

“The two players will both be suspended for three weeks and will miss the remaining three Greene King IPA Championship games for Ealing Trailfinders this season.”

The panel was chaired by Richard Whittam QC with Becky Essex and Tim Naylor.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brizzer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Apr 2019 at 19:29
So it's ok to give a 3 week suspension because the player didn't get injured, despite landing on his HEAD AND NECK!! but a player who is deemed to have tackled high because the ball carrier ducked into the tackle gets 4 weeks......the world has gone stark staring mad!

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Blues Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Apr 2019 at 20:04
I do agree and it appears the suspension is an end of season one. Although I think it was Tupai once had a suspension that carried on to the following season. If it had happened in Jan they probably would’ve got longer. Other players have had the same lengths of ban for a lot less.

If any other teams have a similar situation you’d immediately bring up this judgment!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote corporalcarrot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2019 at 08:46

Theo Vukasinovic of London Scottish and Craig Trenier of Richmond appeared before an independent disciplinary panel and received suspensions.

Vukasinovic and Trenier were each shown a red card by referee Fergus Kirby in the 50th minute of the Greene King IPA Championship match between London Scottish and Richmond on 27 April 2019. This was for striking each other contrary to Law 9.12 – a player must not physically abuse anyone including punching or striking with hand or arm.

Both players accepted the charge against them and were each given a three week suspension by the two-person independent disciplinary panel comprising Aidan O'Brien (chair) and Paula Carter.

The free to play dates for each player will be determined once they are in a position to confirm their next meaningful fixtures.

Panel chair Aidan O’Brien said: “Both players accepted the charges and provided an explanation to the panel for the incident.

“The panel noted that both players had struck an opponent to the head and therefore the mandatory mid-range entry point was applied.

“Due to their guilty plea, clean records and obvious remorse, the panel gave them both the full 50% mitigation.

“In the case of both players, they are joining new clubs for the 2019/20 season. As such, the dates of the three weeks’ suspension will be determined once their playing commitments are confirmed to the panel.”

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Harry Casson of Ealing Trailfinders appeared before an independent disciplinary panel and had his red card dismissed.

Casson was shown a red card by referee Christophe Ridley in the 65th minute of the Greene King IPA Championship match between London Irish and Ealing Trailfinders on 27 April 2019. This was for acting in a manner that was dangerous and/or reckless contrary to Law 9.11.

The independent two-person panel chaired by Aidan O’Brien with Paula Carter dismissed the red card and the player is free to play with immediate effect.

Panel chair Aidan O'Brien said: “The panel heard evidence from the player, the Ealing Director of Rugby and the RFU and were able to review the footage at the same time in full time, slow motion and frame by frame.

"The player was able to demonstrate that his actions were not reckless or dangerous but instead the result of being driven off the ruck by the London Irish player and their combined force causing them both to go to ground as they did.

"The panel accept that on first view of this incident the player appears to be controlling the action but were satisfied after careful analysis that his actions did not meet the red card threshold nor did they amount to foul play. In the circumstances of there being no act of foul play, the red card was dismissed and the player is free to play with immediate effect”

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Richmond in trouble?

https://www.championshiprugby.co.uk/news/richmond-to-appear-before-disciplinary-panel/
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pappashanga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2019 at 16:02
Interesting. Five individuals disciplined at various times during the season equals a 'bad disciplinary record'. That plus relegation is all Mond need. Plenty of lawyers in the club so I hope they pick a good one.
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Richmond F.C. is to appear before an independent disciplinary panel for a breach of RFU Regulation 19.3.1 (bad disciplinary record).

In season 2018-2019, Richmond F.C. has appeared before an independent disciplinary panel on five occasions to deal with cases involving registered players: Cameron Mitchell, Rory Daman, Ronald McLean Dents, Adam Lee and Craig Ternier.

The club's hearing will take place in London on Tuesday 7 May at 1830 in front of an independent panel comprising Dr Julian Morris (chair) with two panel members to be confirmed.


5 cases across the season may be more than ideal, but doesn't sound horrendous. What are the authorities going to do? A points deduction this season wouldn't achieve much, to deduct points next season would seem harsh. So probably a fine and/or slapped wrist?
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Richmond F.C. is to appear before an independent disciplinary panel for a breach of RFU Regulation 19.3.1 (bad disciplinary record).

In season 2018-2019, Richmond F.C. has appeared before an independent disciplinary panel on five occasions to deal with cases involving registered players: Cameron Mitchell, Rory Daman, Ronald McLean Dents, Adam Lee and Craig Ternier.

The club's hearing will take place in London on Tuesday 7 May at 1830 in front of an independent panel comprising Dr Julian Morris (chair) with two panel members to be confirmed.

 


RFU Regulation

19.3 Bad Disciplinary Record and Recognition of Sanctions

Bad disciplinary record

19.3.1 Where Players or members of a Club appear before a Disciplinary Panel on five or

more separate occasions in any one season, that Club may be charged by the RFU

Head of Discipline or Constituent Body Disciplinary Secretary and summoned to

attend before a Disciplinary Panel on the basis that it has a bad disciplinary record.

When dealing with a Club under this provision, the Disciplinary Panel has the power

to impose sanctions as set out in Appendix 2.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FHLH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2019 at 17:04
Appendix 2

"Bad Disciplinary Record:

When dealing with a Club under the bad disciplinary record provisions a Disciplinary Panel may impose any appropriate sanction, including (but not limited to) a reprimand, a financial penalty or deduction of league points or relegation, exclusion or disqualification from any competition, or a combination of the above. Sanctions may also be suspended if considered appropriate."
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote OldNick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2019 at 18:16
Not much sympathy from me I’m afraid. Plenty for them being relegated by the unsporting manipulation of the loan system by Hartpury, but not for this.

The only offences taken to disciplinary hearings these days are for non-technical offences. I.e. violent, dangerous or foul play. Five is a lot of such offences in a season.

Only one other team in The Championship had more than two disciplinary cases - London Scottish, with three. Coventry, along with several others had two.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pappashanga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2019 at 20:22
Previous conduct is relevant. Nothing in 2017/18 except a dismissed citing so clean record. I think this season’s events were a freak rather than an indication of any deliberate attitude.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SKalpy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2019 at 21:13
Sale FC had the same charge against them earlier in the season. 

www.englandrugby.com/mm/Document/Governance/Disclipine/01/33/33/62/SaleFC512JudgmentApr19_English.pdf
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Blues Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2019 at 22:47
It's probably a little from the change in rules.  There have been a lot more citing's.

Some of the red cards on TV have been silly. I remember one that Cipriani got when the attacking opponent ducked his head into Cipriani's shoulder (making the tackle) as he was going into contact a metre or so away, yet, all they saw was a shoulder to the head, deeming it as with force.  The opponent was knocking Cipriani back, so there couldn't be any force there and you could argue the attacker was using his head dangerously.  Cipriani ended up with a ban as well. 

Also most of the seat belt tackle there is nothing wrong with them and shouldn't be a penalty.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote marigold Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 May 2019 at 08:13
OldNick i would be interested to find out how many of Richmond's citings were under the failed tackle law experiment? As a part time club I assume they would have had significantly less time than the other 11 clubs for their players to practice the change in technique required.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote OldNick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 May 2019 at 08:33
It took under 5 minutes to check on the publicly-available RFU disciplinary website.

Two. Both for high tackles. From a quick skim one would have been high in all circumstances - shoulder to head. The other (Adam Lee) was under the experimental law only.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hor Hey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 May 2019 at 08:46
The RFU rule creates a nonsense in that clubs which run one team are in the same boat as a club like ours which runs 5 senior mens sides, two ladies teams , a colts team and numerous mini Junior teams in all age groups. Richmond is such a club.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pappashanga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 May 2019 at 09:15
No doubt the panel will examine the individual cases. Counting an ‘experimental ‘ infringement seems unfair.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote OldNick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 May 2019 at 09:59
Originally posted by Hor Hey Hor Hey wrote:

The RFU rule creates a nonsense in that clubs which run one team are in the same boat as a club like ours which runs 5 senior mens sides, two ladies teams , a colts team and numerous mini Junior teams in all age groups. Richmond is such a club.


All five offences applied to Richmond’s first team playing in the Championship and Championship Cup. Your assertion they are discriminated against by having more than one team is nonsense.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 May 2019 at 10:23
Richmond played in the Championship by choice.
Whether as full-pro, semi-pro, or completely amateur is absolutely their choice, so is also irrelevant.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote marigold Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 May 2019 at 11:48
Old Nick - so if the one given under the experimental law not counted they would only have 4 offences and would not be up before the beak?
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