Does the wholesale use of DR players damage club r

Sid James, in your revolution to create equality are you also going to impose salary caps at NL1 and for that matter NL2N? Are you also going to ban Sugar Daddies? If so how do you plan to level the playing field?

Since the days of boot money and brown envelopes changing hands long before the leagues started, rugby union has had its inequalities and IMHO always will.

Good luck to HIs as you continue your struggle, I doubt if the playing field will be any more level in 2018 - 2019 whether you are playing in NL1 or NL2N.

As for LS, I will continue to support them whatever league we are in and continue to accept the challenges of an ever changing squad due to students graduating and leaving the club, some of whom have developed into players good enough to be offered professional contracts in higher leagues.

I agree totally with the poster who said that DRs help develop international players for all home nations. Also the Premiership and the Championship. On that basis do you not recognise their benefit to RU in England and the other home nations?

I somehow feel if Eddie Jones were to spout out that DRs were an essential part of developing elite England players in his quest for world domination nobody on this forum would give a pile of manure about DRs. However, the inequalities caused by DRs would still continue.

Regarding DRs, like DMP I think you might also find that at least some DRs at Loughborough Students went to Tigers. It is / was not one way traffic in the opposite direction that some believe. Are you going to deny these players the opportunity of playing at a higher level and bringing that knowledge / experience back to the club when they play / train with LS to develop other players in the squad?

Big Eddie, if you would be kind enough to highlight the games where you believe any side has fielded 10 DR players it would be fantastic to know which one.
Interestingly I have heard OA’s had 4 in the starting XV against Caldy and 0 yesterday at OE’s.

As I have previously stated my interest is for the club game at level 3 and below. I am not interetsed in how the DR policy possibly benefits the Elite game. However all the proponents of the use of DRs cite player development as the benefit that this DR policy enables. Consider the following:

Sale Amateurs?

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Purplehaze,

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Jimbojetset,

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There is a lot of misinformation being banded about here.

1. Clubs don't play 10 DRs in a match.
2. DR are available a maximum of 50% of the season, probably less.
3. At Nat 1 level, they are probably 18/19, not the 22/23 year olds.
4. If you look at LS results and DRs, they actually have about the same (slightly worse with more than 2 DR in the starting lineup).  This is due to the right balls up of coaching in the first 1/3 of the season more than anything. So even with DRs you can lose (shock horror).
5. Clubs that are 'safe' and won't be promoted or relegated, switch off and lose matches that perhaps their form say's they shouldn't and the sides struggling try harder, shock horror.  Nothing unusual about that.
6. The poll is stupid and pointless, what does it actually resolve?
7. How is it a level playing field (assuming no DRs), when some clubs just bring in old Premiership players on more salary than the entire playing budget of some sides? It was never a level playing field and strangely the clubs with the biggest budgets are at the top.  Who would have thought that would happen

Pet Monkey wrote: There is a lot of misinformation being banded about here. 1. Clubs don't play 10 DRs in a match. For this season the RFU has promoted the use of 10 DRs by any club. Old Albanians fielded 9 DRs against Caldy but actually that is not my point. My point is that this wholesale use of DRs is very detrimental to club rugby. 2. DR are available a maximum of 50% of the season, probably less. This makes the position worse for me. I would much prefer that players were loaned for an entire season without the prospect of recall. This would limit the ability of the DR system to sc**w up regular club players and the clubs themselves 3. At Nat 1 level, they are probably 18/19, not the 22/23 year olds.  If true this is still irrelevant for me. 4. If you look at LS results and DRs, they actually have about the same (slightly worse with more than 2 DR in the starting lineup).  This is due to the right balls up of coaching in the first 1/3 of the season more than anything. So even with DRs you can lose (shock horror).  I don't understand your point 5. Clubs that are 'safe' and won't be promoted or relegated, switch off and lose matches that perhaps their form say's they shouldn't and the sides struggling try harder, shock horror.  Nothing unusual about that.  Is this relevant to the point at issue that 'the wholesale use of Dual Registered Players is bad for club rugby'? 6. The poll is stupid and pointless, what does it actually resolve? Why is the poll stupid? 76 people have voted with 67 agreeing that the wholesale use of DRs damages club rugby and 9 people believing it does not do so. Pretty conclusive I would say. 7. How is it a level playing field (assuming no DRs), when some clubs just bring in old Premiership players on more salary than the entire playing budget of some sides? It was never a level playing field and strangely the clubs with the biggest budgets are at the top.  Who would have thought that would happen I am not pushing for a level playing field. There will always be have and have nots. I just do not want higher ranking clubs killing Level 3 and level 4 club rugby by swamping them with a bonkers RFU policy promoting the wholesale use of DRs and neither do I want the adoption of a Premiership buddy system that would do the same to the club game as we know it.

First point was the observation of someone with a Masters Degree in Economics, not as a "Sale Man".