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    Posted: 20 Aug 2018 at 13:37
some interesting words from Mark McCafferty re Ealing today. said he would be "concerned" by them getting promoted next season and said a club needed a 10 year vision to survive in the premiership. if anyone can get a link to the full article on the BBC sport rugby page that would be good because I'm useless with technology.

now before everyone blows up about this, I do agree with some of what he says, i'm not sure Ealing could survive as a club in the premiership with the gates they get. they need to expand their support base definitely. I think he's only saying what a lot of people on the RM forum have been saying for a year or two regarding Ealing. my concern is with what he said in another part of the article when he goes on about "wanting to showcase the premiership in all its glory and crowds of 500 won't achieve that" I think that is frankly patronizing and insulting to Ealing, it doesn't matter what crowds a team gets if they win the championship they deserve the chance to compete in the premiership.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote corporalcarrot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Aug 2018 at 13:54
Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Donnyknightsfan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Aug 2018 at 13:56
Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/45242716


thanks CC.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote stadium Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Aug 2018 at 14:05
Ealing need to build their support base and do some proper Business Planning otherwise it will be a action replay of London Welsh.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (2) Thanks(2)   Quote Richard Lowther Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Aug 2018 at 14:14
McCaffety said, "It's got to be on the field and off the field, it's got to be realistic and it's got to be deliverable and financeable."

The majority of Premiership clubs fail this 'test'. It's more protectionist talk, with the Premiership looking after themselves to the detriment of the rest of the game.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Margin_Walker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Aug 2018 at 14:15
Not sure it would be an action replay of LW in the short term as long as the Gooley money is there. They could definitely swallow some big losses in a way that LW couldn't for as long as they are backed

That said it would be a very hard road to anything approaching sustainability.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Aug 2018 at 14:44
Originally posted by Donnyknightsfan Donnyknightsfan wrote:

my concern is with what he said in another part of the article when he goes on about "wanting to showcase the premiership in all its glory and crowds of 500 won't achieve that" I think that is frankly patronizing and insulting to Ealing,


where does he say that? has the article been edited? an average crowd figure of 800 is quoted, but by the writer - Chris Jones - not McCafferty
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote oneagainstthehead Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Aug 2018 at 15:42
This was quoted by Owen Slot in the Times this morning.
Speak softly, but carry a big stick.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brizzer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Aug 2018 at 15:48
There are a couple of things in this article, which are direct quotes from McCafferty:

"Just to be very clear, I don't know the Ealing set-up and I don't know the people there. - So has he just based this on the average crowd size without actually speaking to ET and asking what their ambitions and plans are?

"I think sometimes there is an unrealistic view around the Championship about what it takes to compete, financially, commercially and on a number of fronts in the Premiership." - Well this isn't patronizing at all? How does he know that the Championship clubs have an unrealistic view if he can't be bothered to speak to those challenging (potentially) for top spot?

Can you get any further removed from what the sport is doing outside of the Premier League?....worrying!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mark W-J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Aug 2018 at 16:03
The big difference between Ealing and Welsh is that they own the ground, and have a steady income stream from the artificial pitch and the facilities, whereas we were completely reliant on our owner.  I think most Championship clubs would be much happier with regular income five days a week over a single payday once a month.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rabbie Burns Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Aug 2018 at 16:37
Not sure what they get from any sponsor but there was plenty of them on Ealing kit on Saturday so obviously something is happening commercially. On the field they were brutal and extremely organised and disciplined and in complete contrast to Richmond attacked from anywhere
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tigerburnie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Aug 2018 at 16:40
I remember Wasps and Saracens giving away free tickets to get the crowds in and at the time neither owned their own ground. Protectionism seems to be the obvious answer, if the ground criteria are met, then any club has a right to promotion, it's what sport is all about(as opposed to rich blokes buying a club as an investment and trying to protect their money by ring fencing).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Stoatgobbler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Aug 2018 at 16:42
It's the R word again, especially judging by those comments in the BBC article.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Aug 2018 at 17:20
Ok, didn't realise MMcC's comments had gone to other media. Apologies to DKF for suggesting he may have misquoted. Here's the Times article:

Ealing Trailfinders, the hugely ambitious London club, could have a detrimental effect on the Premiership if they were to be promoted this season, according to Mark McCafferty, the chief executive of Premiership Rugby.

“We want to be showing the Premiership in all its glory,” McCafferty said, “and that won’t necessarily be the case if you are getting 500 people through the terraces. I would have concerns.”

Ealing are second-favourites to win the Greene King Championship this season, behind London Irish. They have a crowd that averaged 814 last season and was regularly the lowest in the Championship. Nevertheless, the club are intent on pursuing promotion and have recruited about 30 new players this season. Their own ground is not big enough to fulfil the promotion requirements, yet they have already started talks with the owners of two other stadiums to become their lodgers next season if they go up.

“I couldn’t say I wasn’t concerned,” McCafferty said. “Clubs have to, on so many fronts, be ready for life in the Premiership. I think sometimes there is an unrealistic view around the Championship about what it takes to compete, financially, commercially and on a number of fronts in the Premiership.”

McCafferty said that attracting bigger crowds was “hard yards in a competitive sports and entertainment market”.

“That is what worries me — if a club is not able, or doesn’t have the ambition, or doesn’t see the need for that perhaps, that they will really, really struggle.”

McCafferty cited London Welsh as the example he would hate Ealing to follow. London Welsh were promoted in 2014, they lost every game, were relegated and soon went out of business.

“Ultimately, it can do the club a lot of damage if they have unrealistic expectations,” McCafferty added.

“Just to be very clear, I don’t know the Ealing set-up and I don’t know the people there. It’s just an example and I’m saying that any club looking to move up — and Exeter have shown people the way, obviously — has got to have a long-term plan, ten years plus.”

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Aug 2018 at 17:22
There is nothing wrong with giving away free samples to young innocent fans to generate futue sales.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote stadium Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Aug 2018 at 17:32
Not a great fan of McCafferty and definitely not agree with his protectionist views.He has made some constructive comments questioning Ealings long term financial sustainability. If Ealing manage to get promoted and then do a London Welsh it will only strengthen the Ring-fencers case.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rabbie Burns Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Aug 2018 at 17:38
Haven’t read the article but from the above extracts it would appear that it’s all about keeping themselves to themselves but how may of the AP clubs are financially stable or even breaking even let alone making a profit. Is there a fear that a West London club could pinch a few of Quinn’s supporters but they may pick up some of the disgruntled Wasps who were left behind
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gerg_861 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Aug 2018 at 19:57
Originally posted by Rabbie Burns Rabbie Burns wrote:

Haven’t read the article but from the above extracts it would appear that it’s all about keeping themselves to themselves but how may of the AP clubs are financially stable or even breaking even let alone making a profit. Is there a fear that a West London club could pinch a few of Quinn’s supporters but they may pick up some of the disgruntled Wasps who were left behind


I would note that we are even picking up the Wasps ladies team who are playing at TFSC as part of a doubleheader on sky in about a month.
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Originally posted by stadium stadium wrote:

Not a great fan of McCafferty and definitely not agree with his protectionist views.He has made some constructive comments questioning Ealings long term financial sustainability. If Ealing manage to get promoted and then do a London Welsh it will only strengthen the Ring-fencers case.

I agree, but pots and kettles spring readily to mind! How much tax-payer cash has the Penzance-Newlyn/Pirates/Mounts Bay shambles devoured........with more to come?!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Trailfinder Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Aug 2018 at 22:39
It's just the same old balls from Premiership rugby, they're strangling the Championship year on year and then have the gall to say that any club that gets promoted would be too weak to survive in the Premiership.
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