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Originally posted by backrowb backrowb wrote:

Offside, sadly. The ruck moved towards the England line and Lawes did not.

Correct me if my eyes deceived me but:

- other than the one on the ground trying to get up and away, the England forwards were all on their feet watching and waiting behind what they seemed to believe was an off-side line - remember Italy v  England Embarrassed

- the NZ front three/four were bound together and looking to commit just that one English player on his feet needed to form a ruck and establish an offside line while the NZ player at 8 (protecting the ball for the SH) was in contact but at arms length ie not bound on.

Take your point about NZ taking a step forward but when and how did an offside line ever become active if no English player was engaged and a ruck had not been formed?  Even if it had been, why was the NZ forward at 8 not penalised for not binding correctly to it.

Every sympathy for the ref and his AR but none at all for the TMO who saw fit to make the call and then focussed only on a situation where he - like the English forwards before him - assumed that there was an active offside line - 2/10: could and should have done a lot better Angry



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote backrowb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Nov 2018 at 14:33
Originally posted by BeeBumble BeeBumble wrote:

Originally posted by backrowb backrowb wrote:

Offside, sadly. The ruck moved towards the England line and Lawes did not.

Correct me if my eyes deceived me but:

- other than the one on the ground trying to get up and away, the England forwards were all on their feet watching and waiting behind what they seemed to believe was an off-side line - remember Italy v  England Embarrassed

- the NZ front three/four were bound together and looking to commit just that one English player on his feet needed to form a ruck and establish an offside line while the NZ player at 8 (protecting the ball for the SH) was in contact but at arms length ie not bound on.

Take your point about NZ taking a step forward but when and how did an offside line ever become active if no English player was engaged and a ruck had not been formed?  Even if it had been, why was the NZ forward at 8 not penalised for not binding correctly to it.

Every sympathy for the ref and his AR but none at all for the TMO who saw fit to make the call and then focussed only on a situation where he - like the English forwards before him - assumed that there was an active offside line - 2/10: could and should have done a lot better Angry

There is nothing wrong with your eyes. A ruck only need one person on their feet over the ball, not one from each side. The law changed last year after the England  v Italy fiasco 
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