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Richard Lowther
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Topic: England Counties - clarifying some pointsPosted: 10 Mar 2012 at 23:32 |
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Michael Old, England Counties manager as sent the following. They are his personal comments and he "hopes this clears up a couple of factual points which always seem to raise
their head around England Counties at this time of the year, as I want to
provide clarity to all who support rugby at this level. The selection criterion has been communicated
to DoR’s and County representatives during the course of this season, as it is
each season – but as that is obviously not disseminated broadly I thought I
would outline this briefly here."
Spring Games: Firstly,
selection for the home fixture
against Ireland Clubs on Friday 16th March to be played at Preston
Grasshoppers RFC, ko 7.30pm is from English qualified players who have
their primary contract with and are playing at National League 1 (level 3)
or below; this selection was made mid-February. To clarify, this means that no dual
registration players are eligible. As
agreed with the home nations, also players who have played for their Country’s
national elite team or “A” level, or have held a full-time professional
contract with a Premiership team for 4 consecutive years are ineligible. It would
have been great to include a fixture against France Amateurs this season,
however the league fixtures for the respective countries meant we were unable
to find a common date. Obviously playing
2 fixtures would be our ideal, however as well as finding dates, we are also
conscious of the stresses on players and clubs playing 30 league games a season
especially after the weather issues of the last couple of seasons. We are currently working with the Scottish,
French and Irish rugby unions to put in place a 5 year program where England
Counties will play 2 fixtures a season against 2 of the 3 teams on a home and
away rotation which will mean players can test themselves against the best
players outside of the full-time professional game in the home nations. Selectors
cover National 1 and 2 all season and we get constant input from clubs DoRs and
coaches as to players performing for them as well as for opposition teams. Summer Tour This
squad will be selected during the County Championship and is based solely on English
qualified players representing their County in the Bill Beaumont
County Championship. One of the primary
aims around the set-up of England Counties was to encourage participation in
County Rugby, this remains such and are in constant communication with the
counties to assist their understanding of selection criteria to pass on to
players to be able to be put forward for selection for the tour. To clear
up last season, this was extended to include players ‘making themselves
available for selection’, however this was solely special circumstances owing
to the extension of the club season and this is not in place for this season at
this time, nor do I expect it to be with the winter behind us and ‘free’
weekends for games still available. This
extension was implemented with the knowledge and buy-in of the Counties and was
done to not exclude players who would have committed to county rugby had it not
been for club commitments, ie had committed regularly in previous seasons and
were endorsed by the relevant county – I believe Gareth Collins communicated
this very eloquently on Rolling Maul while away in Spain last season. The way selection
for the tour works is that all Counties contact me with their squad lists and
recommendations for ECXV once they are in a position to do so, following which
the ECXV selectors cover all the County games and report at selection meetings. Owing to the region of the world we are
travelling to this summer and the need for player inoculations – we have of
course had detailed medical advice to visit E Africa around vaccinations etc, -
we need to select after the second fixture of the County Championship, giving
us 3 clear weeks before departure; this also gives players time to get time off
work. We would love to include all
games, including the final, before selection but that is impossible when we
typically travel the day after the final and players need to get time off work
etc… It is not possible
to pencil in a squad before the County Championship starts as we do not know
who will be playing before the championship starts; ECXV selectors have of
course watched players throughout the season, but form at the end of a long and
attritional club season, plus players coming in from lower and high levels to
play county rugby, is taken into consideration in the BB cup and all players
are given due consideration, noted in the fact, from memory, that at least two
players from level 5 have been selected to tour in recent years and I truly
hope there are more…. East Africa This
tour will be what I believe England Counties is all about – the 26 man squad
will aim to develop and leave a legacy on the game in emerging IRB countries
through playing 3 matches – Uganda, then 2 games against a combined East Africa
team (a squad of the best 30 players from Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania is being
put in place to train and play warm up matches before our visit) - to provide a
new pinnacle for players in the region to strive to reach and in the future
encourage further international teams to tour the region. In addition, time
outside match preparation will be spent in schools, clubs etc introducing /
teaching rugby, working with young people and adults. The strength of
opposition on tours hard to assess, for example Spain last year IRB ranked in
the low 20’s (now ranked in the high teens) should have provided a serious test
– the EC team was exceptional in that game to score over 50 points. The three games in Africa will provide a very
different challenge to what players would normally encounter, both country's Unions
expectation is of big and highly enthusiastic crowds for what they believe will
be competitive games; we expect the tour to be a fantastic personal experience
on and off the field in a wonderful part of the world. I hope players agree and make themselves
available for the tour by playing in the County Championship… Lastly, no one
goes into any tour without careful planning especially not one for an England
representative team. Our medical personnel are
highly experienced and fantastically committed individuals as anyone who has
been with ECXV will provide testament too.
We have carried out full medical assessments on our locations and are in
contact with medical providers in both countries - any concerns are being
addressed prior to departure and we will as always, just in case, “pack our own
parachute” - player safety is our number one priority. We will give players selected all the details
of the tour, if they choose not to come then that is their choice – there is no
obligation on anyone whatsoever to join the tour and will have no bearing on
future selection…. however as with all tours to date, I expect anyone who is
available to want to have the honor and experience of representing England
Counties and will be on the plane early June. General I truly
believe in providing an England representative team at this level to showcase
talent and for players to play in a new environment away from their clubs,
challenging themselves against their peers and enjoying a broad rugby
experience. For some it is a stepping
some to further honours and for some it is the pinnacle of their playing career. I believe the players get a huge amount out
of representing England Counties and whilst that is the case people who support
this team at the RFU, as well as those who give up their personal time
voluntarily, will always work to keep it evolving and representing these
players, clubs, counties and supporters. I would
like to thank all for their support of players who play for England Counties
who showcase the talent of players who play at this level – 2 current EPS
players, 2 in the Saxons squad and numerous top performers in the Premiership
and Championship, as well as those who choose to play at levels below that who
we all enjoy watching week in week out, are testament to that. It is a pleasure to be involved with these
players, their clubs and counties and meet so many dedicated rugby supporters; It is great
to see the great support for players on this Forum who represent their clubs
and England Counties and I hope to see many of you at Preston on the 16th
March… |
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Caesar
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Posted: 11 Mar 2012 at 10:46 |
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....... so what's the point of the County Championship? Aren't players knackered enough?
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RugbyNut
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Posted: 11 Mar 2012 at 11:49 |
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Great post from EC manager Michael Old anybody reading this should grasp the importance of EC to players at community level
![]() Biffa333 Hope you have read this !!
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Posted: 11 Mar 2012 at 12:23 |
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It's good to see the logic of selection processes. It certainly clarifies the team name!
This is the clearest comment from HQ for months.
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“Whatever their achievements in other pursuits, the chief pride and glory of Bedfordians lies in their football.”
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Posted: 11 Mar 2012 at 14:03 |
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Good ol jolly boys outing to East Africa.
What a ridiculous place to go and the budget must be interesting |
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Posted: 11 Mar 2012 at 14:12 |
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'tis for the greater good of the game ...........
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“Whatever their achievements in other pursuits, the chief pride and glory of Bedfordians lies in their football.”
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Posted: 11 Mar 2012 at 18:09 |
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Pleased to see "negotiations" are underway re the spring games hopefully involving France, Ireland & Scotland over a 5 year period. This is a good step forward and I hope it can be brought to fruition.
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Posted: 11 Mar 2012 at 20:39 |
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back in yer box victor meldrew you ol' grump...
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Posted: 11 Mar 2012 at 21:07 |
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Rainbow Rich
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Posted: 11 Mar 2012 at 23:00 |
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Maybe they should just simply limit rugby to the London inner circle and be done with everything else. Just have say 20 clubs in 2 leagues, all within a tube ride from eachother. (we're nearly there) No regional rugby, no representative rugby, unless you are born into an academy system, connected to those 20 clubs and again all within a tube ride from twickers.
That way there would be no money wasted on game development, no money wasted on player development, no money wasted on rasining awarenes and no money wasted on raising the profile of our glorious game, oh and no money to reward dedication to the non elite levels of the game, oh and of course then there would be no money wasted on travel costs bar a few oyster cards. I guess too, then we could almost abolish full internationals. Whats the point in anything involving anything to do with the game of rugby as the bigger picture. Let alone giving chances to people that will never again experience something of what those elite london based players would experience on a weekly basis. I think that has summed up the opposers. Come on you all dont you agree? PLEASE........ Next you'll be telling me we should ringfence and abolish all things English and adopt the American approach to elite sport. If you haven't made it by the time you are 16 and selected by an academy (a college after high school in USA) then your opportunity of a sporting career will be over. Which part of America are you from Biffa and Monkey boy? Do they serve prawn sandwiches there?
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