Playing and training time

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   Can anyone let me know what the rfu guidelines/rules are ref. max playing times, and training times for Under 12's during one week, and where to find that info?

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hepste Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Mini and Juniors Joined: 08 May 2012 Location: Hereford Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote hepste Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Playing and training time Posted: 08 May 2012 at 16:45
	Can anyone let me know what the rfu guidelines/rules are ref. max playing times, and training times for Under 12's during one week, and where to find that info?
	Never is a long time coming

Jugman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List World Cup Winner Caldy Joined: 06 Jan 2009 Location: Saughall Massie Status: Offline Points: 568	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jugman Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 May 2012 at 23:54
	Hi there I run Caldy U12's soon to be U13. I am not sure there are any specific RFU guidelines over the amount of training they can undertake but there are limits on the number of games that they can play in a season. I think it is 17?? This is a big issue with boys playing rugby at club and school, with training for both, matches etc. my son was playing 8 times in 7 days!!
	That's going to hurt....

MFC150 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List First XV squad Joined: 06 Sep 2010 Location: Cheadle Hulme Status: Offline Points: 42	Post Options Post Reply Quote MFC150 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 May 2012 at 15:14
	http://www.rfu.com/TheGame/~/media/Files/2011/ManagingRugby/LegalAndAdmin/RFU%20Regulation%2015%20pdf.ashx
	www.manchesterrugby.co.uk

Jugman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List World Cup Winner Caldy Joined: 06 Jan 2009 Location: Saughall Massie Status: Offline Points: 568	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jugman Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 May 2012 at 18:01
	Well the U12's is a bit of a disaster of a year for Minis'. They play 15 aside on a full pitch at school on a Saturday and then 13 aside for club on a Sunday on half a pitch The Welsh club rules are basically 15 aside on a full pitch similar to schools My son ended up training 8 times every week with school, club and elite training etc. To be honest, it is a nightmare trying to balance how much rugby they play in the U12's, I think strictly it is either 17 or 19 full matches in a year, but how that is regulated with club and school who knows? It tells you what the RFU knows, I asked the same question to a chap the
	That's going to hurt....

SuperDog Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List First XV squad Joined: 01 May 2012 Location: Birmingham Status: Offline Points: 59	Post Options Post Reply Quote SuperDog Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 Jun 2012 at 09:40
	Fellow Coaches and Parents, Having coached both my boys from U7's through to the 1st xv at our club, training has always been a problem. Both my boys attended rugby playing schools and played representative rugby up to midlands level at U16 & U18. They were required to train for school and county mid week sometimes at venues that included 1hr+ travel each way. At club level I never encouraged mid-week training unless we made it through to the later stages of our Club County Cup so as not to put too much pressure on the players. Some of the problems we suffer from are of our own making. 'We all want the best for our children that we coach'. We all want the best for our Clubs and its future. Consequently we apply at times the additional pressure. The Schools will not and do not talk to the Clubs. I have had personal experience where the schools have banned my players from playing for the club. Schools seem to forget who taught the boys to play rugby in the first place. Schools seem to forget who then coached them, way before they even attended their school and then the school wants to take all the credit! I have in the past approached our local schools and asked if little Jimmy can be excused this Saturday because we have a cup final to play on Sunday, you can imagine the answer I got. It is the players themselves we should be thinking of. There are so many players that have gone through the school & club system that no longer play rugby and you know some of the reasons why. I know of so many players from all over the midlands that have played high representative rugby at school that no longer player because they were over played. There attitude towards the game changed, their bodies fell apart, not only that but their bodies changed as they grew older. The fat boys became tall and slim and because they didn't have the right skill sets couldn't play anywhere else other than front row because thats where we put them as coaches at the time. One day the RFU will listen to the true grass route clubs that start all this off and have more understanding. They will argue that the clubs should involve those children that do not attend rugby playing schools so that the whole range of children is covered, but it is us the parents/coaches that hold the keys. Sorry for the rant and I may note of provided any of the answers and only my opinion.

dumbape Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List World Cup Winner Joined: 23 Oct 2008 Status: Offline Points: 743	Post Options Post Reply Quote dumbape Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 Aug 2012 at 09:03
	I have been in favour of the U12's moving into the youth structure for years i.e. 15 aside longer games etc - games would be longer than continuum allows on full pitch. This puts club and school into the same system helping players manage the current disparity.
	What a blessing it would be if we could open and shut our ears as easily as we open and shut our eyes!

No 7 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List British and Irish Lion Joined: 10 Oct 2011 Location: LONDON Status: Offline Points: 219	Post Options Post Reply Quote No 7 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 Oct 2012 at 19:49
	It obviosly makes sense. The same applies for lifting in the lineout. It is itroduced by schools at different age groups .
	Rugby " what an absolute stupid game"......Quote from my father.

Jugman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List World Cup Winner Caldy Joined: 06 Jan 2009 Location: Saughall Massie Status: Offline Points: 568	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jugman Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Oct 2012 at 21:05
	Well with a combination of school rugby and club rugby, my son has played 5 competitive matches in week.....great! Chuck in two training sessions, just ridiculous.
	That's going to hurt....

SuperDog Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List First XV squad Joined: 01 May 2012 Location: Birmingham Status: Offline Points: 59	Post Options Post Reply Quote SuperDog Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 Oct 2012 at 07:37
	Jugman, You need to do something about it, this can't go on. His body will end up damaged and he has his whole life ahead of him. When he has left school they wont be interested they wont even know yet like all rugby players he will be lart of your club for ever as either a player, administrator or spectator. I can't tell you what to do, I know what I would do and I think you do to. Best wishes toyou and your son!

Jugman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List World Cup Winner Caldy Joined: 06 Jan 2009 Location: Saughall Massie Status: Offline Points: 568	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jugman Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 Oct 2012 at 14:58
	Thanks for your support. It is made more difficult as our club boys play at 3-4 different schools, therefore 3-4 different Heads of School rugby who do not give a toss about club rugby in general, despite the years coaching and nuturing the clubs undertake for boys from U6 to U12's. Competitive matches with the school on Wednesday and Saturdays, club game on a Sunday, two mid week training sessions with the schools and one with the club, and the better players being picked for extra elite training with one school in addition to the forthcoming Cheshire Divisional representative rugby, it will get worse before it gets better......I look at our Junior Colts who struggled to get 17 fit and available players on Sunday for a league match out of a squad of 26, it sort of says something doesnt it!! I followed the same route of school, club and minor representaive rugby, my knees (and my best rugby) went at 23 and I soldiered on till I was in my mid 30's when arthritis started to kick in which put an end to my playing career. It must be time to act to protect our young players from the potential career threatening and mobility disabling stresses that we (and I include myself in being a Junior Coach) put these boys through.
	That's going to hurt....

SuperDog Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List First XV squad Joined: 01 May 2012 Location: Birmingham Status: Offline Points: 59	Post Options Post Reply Quote SuperDog Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 Oct 2012 at 16:16
	Like you Jugman, I too followed the same route. Currently I'm waiting for a knee replacement (5 knee ops over the years) and have cronic arthritis in both hips. The knee they wont do as I'm too young and as for the knees once the pain level gets to 6/7 then me specialist has said he will then act until then I have to try and sleep and do my job. Is any one listening from the RFU...... I remember some years ago going to an 'England Academy' presentation held by Nigel Redman & Graham Smith and it all sounded very grand and if I remember correctly they spoke of a 'license' been issued to the players much like that of the FA to protect them from over playing. Haven't heard anything more about that..... Both parents and coaches need to decide what is best for the boys at club level as the schools are not in the slightest interested. My eldest son was offered a place at an Academy at the age of 15 but it meant him leaving his Grammar School and going to the College connected to the Academy and I'm so glad we kept him at school other wise he could so easily be another statistic. It would be interesting to see some statistics on current Premership/Championship players that have achieved such a level but didn't start playing rugby until their late teens against those that have suffered like so many are today. Come on the RFU & EDucationalists join in..........

bigpez Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Academy player Joined: 10 Feb 2012 Status: Offline Points: 13	Post Options Post Reply Quote bigpez Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 Oct 2012 at 21:12
	The revised RFU Age grade regulations issued earlier this year provide limits on the playing time over a 48 hour period (90 minutes at U16). The RFU guidance states that it is the coaches responsibility to ensure that the regulation is followed - which is a hefty knee in the groin for club rugby. My club's U16 squad is now struggling to field 15 players for Sunday fixtures, having previously given 25 players shared match time at U15, and we are having to continually recast players in different positions which is impacting on team performance, morale and player retention. In reality the RFU are not interested in players outside of the Prem Academies, the schools are focussed on demonstrating rugby prowess as a means of appealing to prospective students, and the club junior coaches are left with a massive challenge to sustain u16 and Colts rugby. So the solution is for the clubs to work closely with the local schools to grow the sport - where again the RFU are no help as they keep cutting back on RDO funding! With RWC2015 the RFU have a massive opportunity to grow the game across state schools (playing on Weekdays only) - anyone think they have this as a stated objective or a clue on how to achieve it?

SuperDog Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List First XV squad Joined: 01 May 2012 Location: Birmingham Status: Offline Points: 59	Post Options Post Reply Quote SuperDog Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 Oct 2012 at 22:23
	So what are the schools doing about it? In a training seesion any player spends more time on the ball than he would during a game and probably does as much running so with two school games in a week plus two school training sessions and then a school county session which is probably on a Sunday so who is exactly over playing these young men? The RFU are not interested in players that have been let down by all the promises given by the EDP centres and Academies. I know of so many young players (U16) that have left the game because of the way they were treated.

bigpez Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Academy player Joined: 10 Feb 2012 Status: Offline Points: 13	Post Options Post Reply Quote bigpez Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 Oct 2012 at 23:06
	Hmm. Schools taking no notice of the RFU regulations is something that is itself institutionalised - and there's more chance that all of the EU member states will rigorously following the instructions that come out of Brussels before the schools come into line with RFU! What can we do - clubs need to strive to work with the schools and RFU(?) to determine a win - win - win solution, the club wants more players, the schools want more students, the RFU wants to increase player numbers. I would love to see a system that has clubs and schools having a joint programme with combined squads that play under a club framework as part of a county programme that provides a true development environment and pathway to senior rugby for all players - which would also be a considerable improvement on the current RFU/CB age grade programmes!

SuperDog Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List First XV squad Joined: 01 May 2012 Location: Birmingham Status: Offline Points: 59	Post Options Post Reply Quote SuperDog Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 Oct 2012 at 07:19
	Perhaps we could follow the example of France and most of Europe whereby all sports are delivered by the clubs. Another benefit here is a reduction on the Education budget and at the same time will help Government provide adequate school buildings to teach our children.