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Originally posted by Bill Sley Bill Sley wrote:

Originally posted by mike at welsh mike at welsh wrote:

http://www.london-welsh.co.uk/rugby_newsroom_article.asp?id=1259
28 June is the kick off
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top QC's in sports law , written constitutions and competition so I think all basis will be covered I hear our bundle goes to 42 pages of evidence so unclear if result on that day!
 
 
And the BBC version (presumably based on LWs) http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/18504308
 
"The RFU has announced that James Dingemans QC will chair the independent panel for the appeal, alongside Ian Mill QC and Tim Ward QC."
 
1/ What is the collective for QCs?
2/ What is the bill for 3 x QCs?

Collective noun is a Bar. Kind of appropriate Wink
As for the bill, think of a number then add some more noughts! I think the chairman of LW is a lawyer and according to Brian Moore on his twitter feed @TAFKAbrianmoore he charges something of the order of £700/hr Shocked
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For that sort of money I'd expect them to do the time for me if they lost!
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Ian Mill was involved with Sheffield Utd and QPR cases. Tim Ward specialises in EU, Competition & Public Law. Chair James Dingemans amongst other things deals in sports law.
Not a clue if this is good or bad for Welsh. Interestingly you'd have thought the RFU's "cast in stone"position" would stand a hearing tomorrow, so one can only assume it's Welsh that will be benefitting from the extra 7 days. Still think it'll be the same result though. Unhappy 
 
I have no further questions and I rest my case m'lud.
 
If the RFU happen to lose the case I hope they take it gracefully. I've never found them very appealing Wink


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As previous poster, these are heavy hitters, two with RFU client experience!!
 
James Dingemans

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Member of the Advisory Panel for the Rugby Football League. In May 2011 he carried out The Football Association's Independent Review into the World Cup Bid Allegations. He has acted in various Rugby Union disciplinary proceedings, including the main decision on tapping up in Bristol Rugby v Plymouth Albion ISLR 2007, 4 (Nov), SLR 117-126.

 

He has also acted in many cases involving accidents for and against professional sports people injured whilst participating in their sport.

 

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The Football Association Independent Review (Media Reports: BBC News, 13th May 2011; Sky News, 13th May 2011). View a summary of the report here.

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Hillsborough Review (Media Reports: BBC News, 23 August 2011)

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Ian Mill

 

Has acted for Sheffield United re Carlo Tevez, Wayne Rooney and the RFU disciplinary panel in the Olivier Azam case (? citing for head butting). (various sources)

 

 

Tim Ward

 

He has particular expertise in commercial and regulatory matters. He has recently acted in disputes concerning Ofcom, Ofgem, the Civil Aviation Authority, Postcomm, the Office of Fair Trading and the National Lottery Commission. He has acted in around 50 cases before the Court of Justice of the European Union or General Court, and has over 30 reported cases in the field of public law. (from Monkton Chamber website)
 
 
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i see the welsh are having their own version of the club v union legal battle http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-18599355
 
basically pontypool fighting the wru's ruling that they should not be in the welsh prem next season, when it is due to be cut from 14 to 12 clubs. those west of the border appear to have got very hot under the collar over this, especially as 'pooler' is one of the most historic names in welsh rugby history...
 
believe this court case is one reason why the B&I cup draw is not being released for the time being...
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But only the top six Welsh clubs qualify for the B&I, so even if they survive the cull it wouldn't make any difference.  Not that it stopped the Championship or Amlin fixtures being published, of course.
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don't believe that's correct mark, i'm pretty certain B&I is 8 groups of 4 - 12 welsh, 12 english, 4 irish, 4 scottish...
 
you guys all set for tomorrow? any word on whether a verdict is likely straight away?
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Yep, I think the WRU have released a press release saying all 12 WRU Premiership Clubs are involved next year. Haven't seen anything from the RFU though.
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Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

don't believe that's correct mark, i'm pretty certain B&I is 8 groups of 4 - 12 welsh, 12 english, 4 irish, 4 scottish...
 
you guys all set for tomorrow? any word on whether a verdict is likely straight away?
 
I'd be amazed if there was a verdict tomorrow. it's taken them 3 weeks to organize the team of QCs and venue, I'd guess at least a week before a decision.
 
And, yes, I know what that means in terms of knock-ons.Confused
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I read somewhere that a 'period of disclosure' is already underway so that a decision may be reached relatively quickly.
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My money is on an adjournment !!
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The Guardian says http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/jun/27/newcastle-london-welsh-premiership-rugby?newsfeed=true
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"The panel is expected to announce its decision on Friday with seven hours scheduled for the hearing"
 
I'd be amazed.
 
Unless it's already been decided.Censored
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They might well have already read the documentation, after all if there's one thing QC's ought to be good at it's reading and understanding a brief.  If so, today could well be intended for any last minute arguments from the parties involved( 1 hour each maybe) and then for the panel to confer and make its decision.  In which case an announcement tomorrow isn't utterly unlikely.
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Originally posted by PlangentThrowback PlangentThrowback wrote:

They might well have already read the documentation, after all if there's one thing QC's ought to be good at it's reading and understanding a brief.  If so, today could well be intended for any last minute arguments from the parties involved( 1 hour each maybe) and then for the panel to confer and make its decision.  In which case an announcement tomorrow isn't utterly unlikely.

That sounds like a well thought out process and perfectly reasonable to expect them to be able to do. 

Therefore it probably wont happen that way...............LOL
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Originally posted by TC08 TC08 wrote:

"The panel is expected to announce its decision on Friday with seven hours scheduled for the hearing"
 
I'd be amazed.
 
Unless it's already been decided.Censored
That's a rather cynical view. I would interpret that comment as meaning that the terms of the appeal (which were that LW do in fact meet the terms of the MSC) can be held within that time. From The Grauniad piece, it would appear that LW (and Championship clubs) want to introduce arguments pertaining to the fairness of the rules. I suspect that the panel will be able to rule on the 'meeting the terms of the MSC' point in the time available and it wouldn't surprise me if they hand down some recommendations along the lines that the whole system needs root and branch review. Whatever happens, it won't be finished tomorrow.
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I smell a Welsh victory on the wind
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Originally posted by elmsall man elmsall man wrote:

My money is on an adjournment !!

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