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ianbol
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Posted: 17 Jun 2012 at 17:34 |
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I would have no objection to Cornwall declaring independance. Half the population, being English ex-pats, would slide hurredly back across the Tamar for security and intellectual conversation leaving the rest to wollow with a language hardly anyone can speak and a dull diet of them things called --- damn, I've forgotton.
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Mark W-J
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Posted: 17 Jun 2012 at 19:17 |
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Welsh & Cornish are the 'purest Britons', scientists claim:
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Posted: 17 Jun 2012 at 19:48 |
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Want to know what we do in Penzance when there's no rugby?
This is on now and reaches its climax next Sunday. Pensans A'gas Dynergh
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Posted: 17 Jun 2012 at 22:04 |
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I would argue that because a place undergoes a name change that doen't necessarily mean that the working inhabitants change; therefore you could go from calling somewhere e.g. Llyr's valley and rename it e.g. Horsa's Tun and replace the landowner or landholder but the peasants may well continue to be the same people and still, at least for some generations, speak the old language amongst themselves. In the 60's I knew an elderly Welsh lady who had lived in Exeter with her daughter and son-in-law for 20 years but who spoke not a word of English (fortunately they were both native Welsh speakers). Generally penetration into the hinterland of highland Britain including the area West of the Exe was a much more gradual process than seizing control of the strategic routes and towns and in a largely untutored rural proletariat I find it hard to believe that total linguistic change would have come about in much less than 3 or 4 generations. The survival of British names for natural features such as Avon as a river name also suggests that the Anglo-Saxons coalesced with the native population rather than extirpating it and its language. Until the Normans arrived with their obsession with book-keeping, tax raising and other instruments of feudalism I suspect that linguistic and indeed cultural change may have been more gradual than we were taught, at least at 'ground level'.
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Posted: 18 Jun 2012 at 08:41 |
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Lost forward, I was aware that I had spelt Jonathan Trelawny's name incorrectly but chose not to correct it. My reasoning being as he was only one of seven bishops arrested, and, as I couldn't remember the names of the other six, and, as they were all found not guilty anyway, it really didn't merit the effort of an edit.
Can I say I'm definitely not anti-Cornish. I am possibly anti-nationalist as I believe we now live in a world where we should be seeking to abolish borders rather than create them. Back to the Victorians. I probably concur with the views of Henry Jenner... There has never been a time when there has been no person in Cornwall without a knowledge of the Cornish language … The reason why a Cornishman should learn Cornish, the outward and audible sign of his separate nationality, is sentimental, and not in the least practical, and if everything sentimental were banished from it, the world would not be as pleasant a place as it is
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Posted: 18 Jun 2012 at 09:38 |
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I don't know why the nationalist argument has come into this. There are many Cornish people, myself included, who will proudly defend their identity without seeking independence.
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Posted: 18 Jun 2012 at 10:21 |
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Posted: 18 Jun 2012 at 12:28 |
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For some of us Rugby is a religion.
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RedOrDead
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Posted: 18 Jun 2012 at 13:42 |
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Well said, +1 on this. Also +1 on Henry Jenner's quote on the Cornish language.
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+2, absolutely spot on. I get fed up having to defend the fact that just because I identify myself as Cornish doesn't mean I want to kick out the English and cast Kernow adrift into the Atlantic. The supreme irony of the fact that usually the people that object most strongly to this position are the same ones waving St.George crosses and bellowing ''Come on Ingerlaaaand'' is sadly lost on them. ![]() ![]() |
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Posted: 18 Jun 2012 at 22:14 |
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"Scones, clotted cream first, or jam first????"
Actually it should be splits not scones Oh and it's jam first, cream on top. Mmmmm....
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Posted: 18 Jun 2012 at 23:53 |
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Most of the Welsh birds I've known weren't particularly pure......
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Posted: 19 Jun 2012 at 01:38 |
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And not that particular one assumes, or didn't you know them that well?
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Posted: 19 Jun 2012 at 08:37 |
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Posted: 19 Jun 2012 at 13:50 |
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It's good to see that this treatise (from Canada) shows interst in Cornwall (and it's blood) is worldwide, as well as foot shape. Special boots for Cornish clubs? "I remember that many years ago (30 or 40) there was a report of the results of a study resulting from British Red Cross blood donations during and shortly after WW II. This showed that blood groups of those living near the coast of Cornwall were different from those living inland - presumably due to the influence of raiders. My father had blood When is the first match.......... please .................. aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh? Edited by FHLH - 19 Jun 2012 at 13:51 |
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Posted: 19 Jun 2012 at 14:04 |
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"my sisters and I as well as several cousins (who have less Cornish ancestry) have long thin (shallow) low arched (flat) feet with second toes at least equal in length to first toes. Even with my wife's 75% Irish/Scots & 25%
English ancestry, our two sons have almost identically shaped and sized feet as mine." As long as they're not webbed, I wouldn't worry. |
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Posted: 19 Jun 2012 at 14:13 |
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Posted: 19 Jun 2012 at 14:37 |
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Morecambe bay, surely? |
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I really wish this didn't interest me! I inherited the second toe thing through my father's side of the family which is Cornish as far as I am able to go back. My mother, whose side of the family isn't as "thoroughbred" doesn't share this trait. Come one and all which camp do you fall into and how Cornish (if at all) are you?
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Posted: 19 Jun 2012 at 16:30 |
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My mother's maiden name was Rowe, so I guess there's some Cornish blood a few generations back. Not sure how far, mind, probably at least 4 or 5.
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