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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote green&whitetiger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Dec 2012 at 20:14
The problem at ML is that its just about playable when the covers are on, but take them off and it freezes straight away. Given that the Pavis Stand prevents the pitch from seeing the light of day, cold snaps like this can only be beaten with undersoil heating IMO. Doesnt solve the the problem of road conditions though. Rothman, what about the Mango bus?  Luxury. Thumbs Up

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Dec 2012 at 13:08
Originally posted by Rothman2 Rothman2 wrote:

I see Ben Thomas has signed for us today for the rest of the season.

Any views on him from our Scottish friends?
Will you accept a view from a non-Scottish friend? He came to Esher from London Welsh about 3 or 4 years agobut didn't do well enough to earn a contract. He then reappeared at Barking in National 1 in the season they nearly got promoted and then switched to Scottish who had got promoted. Unless he has improved significantly I doubt he'll add a lot.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote bigmac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Dec 2012 at 15:13
only two of the exiled 6 were regulars in the 22; in fact i am struggling to remember who all six are, and i've hardly missed a game in years ... their departure is less important than the fact the rest of the squad can now put in day time sessions instead of cramming everything into the two evenings which was all Codling was available for.
and beware the bedford mythology of "a team of part-timers" ... by and large they live and work locally, many have no other real means of support (apart from working for the vclub in the comunity ...) and so do train during the day, and the work you have to do with a stable squad week in and week out is far less than is required by those clubs with squad churn; for LS a legacy of 7 promotions in 10 years is that almost by definition the squad turnover has to be high; getting a large number of new faces to gel in one pre-season and two evenings a week is a big ask.
 
Reality is that in London as Esher, Park, Ealing and Richmond would all attest, the problem with part-timers is that the working day in the City is so long, and travelling time on top, means by the time they get to training they are knackered! ask players like Volley and Lalanne who came to us to go part-time and struggled to train and play at their full intensity.
 
As to new coaching costs ... savings fromn AC's departure have been mounting up!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote GazJ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Dec 2012 at 09:26
Apart from Liffchak and Kellard does anyone know if messrs Strachan, Lonergan, Bloomberg and Clarke (no  they are not a firm of solicitors) have signed for anyone yet?
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Gaz,
 
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Cheers Mark.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote GR Blue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Dec 2012 at 22:49
, and beware the bedford mythology of "a team of part-timers" ... by and large they live and work locally, many have no other real means of support (apart from working for the vclub in the comunity ...) and so do train during the day, and the work you have to do with a stable squad week in and week out is far less than is required by those clubs with squad churn; for LS a legacy of 7 promotions in 10 years is that almost by definition the squad turnover has to be high; getting a large number of new faces to gel in one pre-season and two evenings a week is a big ask.
 
BIGMAC, Not sure where you got your information from, but I think you will find that Bedford are part time, They train 3 nights a week and the only training done during the day is a gym session for those than can attend, so yes Bedford are PART TIMERS.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mdg99 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Dec 2012 at 23:08
GR Blue, was under the impression that some of the players were pro? Obviously not the whole squad, but thought people like GG and Sacha were? (sacha even describes himself as a professional on his twitter page)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote LancashireLass Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Dec 2012 at 08:04
Out of interest, which teams in the Championship are fully professional?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote GR Blue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Dec 2012 at 09:46
mdg99 While Sacha might state that he is a professional, that still doesn't mean that Bedford are full time. It is his and others players like GG's decision not to work.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cpcarrot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Dec 2012 at 10:55
Jersey's playing squad is currently about 2/3 fully professional players - so not us.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Capt Sparrow Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Dec 2012 at 14:06
So how does Pritchard earn his living away from rugby? He seems to get an inordinate amount of time off playing for Canada in the RWC, Churchill Cup and other Canadian Tour games.

The Championship is, these days, a hard league and to keep up with the likes of Newcastle, which Bedford so nearly did, then I would venture that it is impossible for PART Timers to do so.

So let's end this myth of Bedford being part timers only training three nights a week. If that were true there is no way they could consistently play at the level they do. Some, not the Sarries DR's, may have other jobs but not the sort that requires long hours five or more days a week which most people do. 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bluebuthappy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Dec 2012 at 15:47
Just for you Capt  
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Some other squad members also have jobs within the teaching profession which would help explain how they manage "to get an inordinate amount of time off" LOL


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Perhaps Pritchard can, due to being one of the highest paid players, as he is an experienced and quality player? If Blues didn't pay him enough be wouldn't be with us!

How come Blues also have an unbeaten and probably the best non-RFU funded academy team who have beaten the likes of Tigers and Saracens? Perhaps it because of the good coaching set up we have.

As you say if some players do have other jobs, how can they be anything but part-time, a team cannot train as a team if not all the team is there? I think one of the biggest differences is that most of our players are of a similar standard, so they have to perform well on the pitch otherwise there is another waiting. Whereas some other sides do not have as strong a squad.

I believe full-time teams probably do not spend that much more time on the pitch than a part time team. As players can only train so much before the quality becomes poor as players become tired.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dan Gleebles Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Dec 2012 at 17:26
Served a drink in a local pub close to GR by one of our scrum halfs recently. No8 misses games through work commitments. Local private schools also employ a few. University for some and now a schoolboy. Very professional coaching set up though.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mdg99 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Dec 2012 at 17:35
Don't get me wrong GR I am not criticising, I was part of the Academy for two years, and I can attest to the quality of coaching. I definitely improved massively as a player. What was even better was having players such as Dan Richmond, Ian Vass and GG involved in the coaching. 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote knightandday Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Dec 2012 at 11:01
Nearly Christmas, you know when the annual 'Are Bedford full or part time' debate arises it's that time of year.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote HandsintheRuck Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Dec 2012 at 11:13
Originally posted by knightandday knightandday wrote:

Nearly Christmas, you know when the annual 'Are Bedford full or part time' debate arises it's that time of year.


...and by hijacking a completely different thread.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Stalwart Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Dec 2012 at 11:50
Whatever Bedford are doing, it works bleddy well. Good luck to them.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Guinness John Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Dec 2012 at 11:57
Certainly many of the full time professional squads are significantly under achieving in comparison.
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