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    Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 08:14
Rumour has it that Halifax have folded.  Does anyone know anything about this?  Nothing on their website that I can see.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 09:18
It certainly doesn't sound like the end when reading recent posts on their Forum:

http://www.pitchero.com/clubs/halifaxrufc/?section=forum&thread_id=44191&start=0

A new website and what looks like a fresh start ...

Their AGM isn't until 2nd July so difficult to believe that something as dramatic has happened before then.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 16:05
Indeed, Allan.  Have they dropped out of the leagues / starting from the bottom?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 21:06

Being involved with Halifax, the word from the powers that be is that Halifax will continue to exist but will be plying their trade in Yorkshire 6 as Halifax Vikings.

They will be looking to expand the junior section and become more involved with the community than they were in the past.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 08:15
Ah.  So the rumour I heard was a little distorted - as is the nature of rumours.
 
So, if Halifax are starting from the bottom again, there will be a hole in North 1 (sorry - National 3 North, just can't get accustomed to the new names).  That would mean Sheffield Tigers would not be Level Transfered to Midlands, Luton would not be Level Transfered to London and Haywards Heath would be reprieved from relegation to Level 6.  I think.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 08:38
Originally posted by FixSec FixSec wrote:

Ah.  So the rumour I heard was a little distorted - as is the nature of rumours.
 
So, if Halifax are starting from the bottom again, there will be a hole in North 1 (sorry - National 3 North, just can't get accustomed to the new names).  That would mean Sheffield Tigers would not be Level Transfered to Midlands, Luton would not be Level Transfered to London and Haywards Heath would be reprieved from relegation to Level 6.  I think.

Good work FixSec! I suspect that you've beaten the district committees to this solution - should the need arise if Halifax drop to the bottom of the Yorkshire league structure.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 10:35
Does that mean Luton would be transferred to National 3 Midlands??  If Sheffield are passed back up to Nat 3 North?
 
You state that Luton wouldn't be level transferred to National 3 London - but they were in that league last season??
 
I thought perhaps Chinnor would be closer to National 3 Midlands.....then again I'm cr4p on distances and UK geography!!!Wink
 
We were looking forward to Sheffield Tigers being in the league this year..
 
Bedfordshire will have some good derbies with Luton, Ampthill and Bedford Ath in the same league
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 12:29
I think people are being rash in assuming that common sense will play any part in any reallocation of teams to divisions. Remember that we are dealing with the RFU. Quite why Haywards Heath should escape the drop if and when Halifax folds is the sort of perverse logic that they might well come up with, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if no level transfers take place and the highest placed team relegated from last year's North One were reprieved (is that Cleckheaton?)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 13:04
Originally posted by Hexhamshire Lad Hexhamshire Lad wrote:

I think people are being rash in assuming that common sense will play any part in any reallocation of teams to divisions. Remember that we are dealing with the RFU. Quite why Haywards Heath should escape the drop if and when Halifax folds is the sort of perverse logic that they might well come up with, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if no level transfers take place and the highest placed team relegated from last year's North One were reprieved (is that Cleckheaton?)
 
Relegation from Level 5 was just the two clubs with the worst records across the 4 leagues.  Darlington (North 1) and Haywards Heath (from London 1).  Haywards Heath had the better record which is why I think they would be the ones reprieved.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 13:07
Originally posted by Dusty Dusty wrote:

Does that mean Luton would be transferred to National 3 Midlands??  If Sheffield are passed back up to Nat 3 North?
 
You state that Luton wouldn't be level transferred to National 3 London - but they were in that league last season??
 
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Luton were definitely Level Transfered to London again - see here http://www.rfulondon.com/Fixtures_2009_N3L%20-%20v.5.htm  They are a Midlands Club. 
 
Yes, they were in London 1 last season, but it is my understanding that everyone gets put back where they belong at the end of the season, and the whole Level Transfer process starts over again.  I heard that Luton, Ampthill and Bedford Athletic were all in the frame, but Luton were the chosen ones.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 13:10
Of course, there could be more reshuffling still to come if another Club drops out of the Leagues - Mounts Bay, for example.  Anyone heard any more about MB?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 14:34
My understanding is that no adjustments will now be made to leagues for 09/10 in the event that Halifax (or anyone else for that matter) withdraw. Fixture lists have already been issued for all divisions and to make amends now would affect a vast number of leagues.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 22:46
The fixtures have been amended with Sheffield back in the North and Luton back in the Midlands, all clubs were reallocated alphabetically in their leagues and the fixture matrix recalculated prior to Halifax withdrawal.

They have not recalculated the fixture matrix again, they have simply replaced Halifax with Sheffield & Sheffield with Luton

The cut off date for other league structure alterations is June 15th (Monday). If Mounts Bay pull out before Monday there will be another league structure shuffle but the fixture matrix will not alter.

If they pull out after June 15th that league will be one team short for next season.

Incidentally, clubs are only put back into their division if level transfers are required, should promotion and relegation result in no level transfers a club previously level transferred cannot opt to go back.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 22:46
Originally posted by DICKON DICKON wrote:

to make amends now would affect a vast number of leagues.


Since when has that stopped the RFU from mucking about? They are past masters.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 23:14
This subject is touched upon in another thread.  One of the local newspapers recently speculated that some of the players will move on to other local clubs regardless of which league 'Fax are in.
 
The Northern leagues do show Halifax Vandals registered to play in Yorkshire 6 - the bottom league in the structure, for next season.
 
It still isn't clear whether this is to give their '4th's' competitive rugby - along the lines of a lot of clubs or whether it is to replace the '1st's totally.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jun 2009 at 07:14
News on halifax website, confirming they will play in Yorkshire 6:
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jun 2009 at 08:25
Originally posted by Fat Albert Fat Albert wrote:

...Incidentally, clubs are only put back into their division if level transfers are required, should promotion and relegation result in no level transfers a club previously level transferred cannot opt to go back.
Hmm.  Not so sure about that, at Level 5 anyway.
 
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(ii) Procedure for Transferring Clubs

1. After promotion and relegation into and between Levels 4 – 7 has been effected pursuant to Appendix 1 and the Play-Off Regulations, Clubs shall in the first instance be placed in the League consistent with their Divisional and Constituent Body affiliation subject only to the proviso that all Clubs eligible to compete at Levels 6 & 7 inn Season 2009-10 shall be placed in the same Division as they competed in during Season 2008-09 at any level:

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jun 2009 at 10:47
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As one of the clubs that was asked to consider level transfer this season we contacted the league secretary & the RFU to ask for clarification of exactly this point amongst others.

We were informed, in writing, that the procedure described above only applies if there is a requirement for a level transfer. If all leagues at level 5 have the right number of clubs after promotion & relegation the level transfer regulations are not applicable.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jun 2009 at 12:08
Very sad to see a club having to do this to survive.  All the best to everyone involved at Halifax.
Does that mean that Haywards Heath are now back in National 3 London?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jun 2009 at 13:43
Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

This subject is touched upon in another thread.  One of the local newspapers recently speculated that some of the players will move on to other local clubs regardless of which league 'Fax are in.
 
The Northern leagues do show Halifax Vandals registered to play in Yorkshire 6 - the bottom league in the structure, for next season.
 
It still isn't clear whether this is to give their '4th's' competitive rugby - along the lines of a lot of clubs or whether it is to replace the '1st's totally.
 
 
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Is it possible to do this in respect of the National Leagues?  I assumed not and that a club can only have one team entered into the National Leagues.  There are of course various Merit leagues to give teams below the first XV competative games.  Otherwise by now level two would be populated by Leicester Cubs, Harlequins II, Northampton Sinners, Bath Taps, Hornets (not the Rochdale variety) etc etc.  Although Gloucester have got round it by adopting Hartpury College (I shall not make any wisecracks about Moseley as they can be a bit touchy on the subjectWink).
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