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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote loftylocke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Feb 2016 at 09:54
Food for thought 'The State of California have banned the use of rubber crumb infill' - Is there any truth in the carcinogenic theory.?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RedOrDead Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Feb 2016 at 17:28
Originally posted by loftylocke loftylocke wrote:

Food for thought 'The State of California have banned the use of rubber crumb infill' - Is there any truth in the carcinogenic theory.?

I've read somewhere recently (possibly on this thread) that there is little or no evidence to support this.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Feb 2016 at 19:23
Originally posted by loftylocke loftylocke wrote:


Food for thought 'The State of California have banned the use of rubber crumb infill' - Is there any truth in the carcinogenic theory.?


Probably not, however as USA is a litigious society probably covering their proverbial a***s
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RedOrDead Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Feb 2016 at 19:59
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by loftylocke loftylocke wrote:


Food for thought 'The State of California have banned the use of rubber crumb infill' - Is there any truth in the carcinogenic theory.?


Probably not, however as USA is a litigious society probably covering their proverbial a***s

Or (possibly) leaving themselves open to litigation from the companies whose businesses they're damaged by making a decision based on conjecture and little or no evidence!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Whaa Hoo Wilkey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Feb 2016 at 23:53
A 3G/4G pitch is part of our development plans at Priory Park, we are dealing with a company that has considerable experience in this area and in the questions raised. I will see if I can get some questions answered.
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Why put one were rugby is clearly thriving?

Wouldn't it be better to put them in areas where growth is required?

If Hoppers, to their credit, have so many players do they really need something which they've grown without having?


Think outside of the box please RFU
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Coldwarwarrior Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Feb 2016 at 09:29
Originally posted by Monkey Boy Monkey Boy wrote:

Why put one were rugby is clearly thriving?

Wouldn't it be better to put them in areas where growth is required?

If Hoppers, to their credit, have so many players do they really need something which they've grown without having?


Think outside of the box please RFU
 
Well put MB ... that was exactly the point I was making with my previous post.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Stoo The Zoom Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Feb 2016 at 11:47
Not wanting to scaremonger but worth bare
ing in mind.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/12157436/Fake-football-pitches-gave-my-teenage-son-cancer-says-former-NHS-boss.html



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote L33 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Feb 2016 at 12:16
Just for your information there is no such thing as a 4G pitch.

All Pitches installed are 3G pitches. 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RedOrDead Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Feb 2016 at 18:02
Originally posted by Monkey Boy Monkey Boy wrote:

Why put one were rugby is clearly thriving?

Because you can have a fair degree of confidence that it will receive sufficient use.

Originally posted by Monkey Boy Monkey Boy wrote:

Wouldn't it be better to put them in areas where growth is required?


Maybe, as long as you have reason to believe that its presence will lead to growth.

Originally posted by Monkey Boy Monkey Boy wrote:

If Hoppers, to their credit, have so many players do they really need something which they've grown without having?

What's to say that a 3G pitch won't lead to further growth? Why should 'hoppers be penalised for their success? Why should clubs who have failed to achieve what 'hoppers have be rewarded for their failure?

IMO, insufficient information has been made public about the whole project in order to question proposed sites talk about proposed sites for pilots. Furthermore, it would sooner pick holes in the criteria used to select the sites rather than individual cases which (presumably) meet such criteria.

Your post and one or two previous smacks of what I call "field of dreams syndrome". I would much sooner see a compelling business case for building a pitch rather than building one on the basis that if you build it, they will come. This is asking for an expensive white elephant and I suspect criteria will be structured in order to avoid this happening.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Monkey Boy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Feb 2016 at 23:46
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RedOrDead Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Feb 2016 at 01:30
Thanks for your reasoned reply and constructive contribution.

FYI, the curly things with a dot underneath them are question marks - they mark a question. I answered yours to the best of my ability and understanding.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gatecrasher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Feb 2016 at 14:12
Rubber is a mixture of lots of chemicals. One group of oils often present are called Polycyclic Aromatic Hydrocarbons (PAH) they are know to be carcinogenic to humans and are being phased out of rubbers and plastics.
Some countries like Germany are making quite a fuss about PAH which started I think when a child's toy rubber hammer from China was tested and found to contain very high levels of PAH
I imagine the rubber crumb in 3G pitches is primarily ground up car tyres and will contain PAH to some degree. Being ground up quite small and with players coming into intimate contact with the particles will increase the exposure.
it would only cost a few hundred pounds to test a sample of 3G rubber to find the PAH level.
 
The risk level is difficult to ascertain, burnt toast is carcinogenic and just think of the amount of rubber dust that must be around our roads.
it's certainly important that testing is done and PAH levels regulated or better still eliminated from loose particles in sports pitches.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Puli. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Feb 2016 at 14:21
The BBC have just posted this ......
A former NHS boss wants the government to review the use of 3G pitches after claiming rubber pellets on the surface contributed to his son's cancer.
Nigel Maguire says son Lewis 18, has Hodgkin lymphoma after being exposed to the 'crumb rubber' on the surface which gives it more bounce.
Pellets, often made from used car tyres, can contain toxic chemicals.
The Football Association said there are 500 3G pitches in England and added they were "aware of concerns"
I have no opinions on this at all just posted it for information.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Redhead Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Feb 2016 at 14:32
See the link on Stoo the Zoom's post above.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Feb 2016 at 16:16
Story has been updated on BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35585392 to quote

He says that as a goalkeeper, his son was more exposed to the rubber crumb than outfield players, and had similar concerns for rugby players.

"Lewis would be training on this stuff once or twice a week for four or five years, and he would come back telling me how he swallowed a lot of it, how it got into his eyes, and in cuts and grazes," Maguire from Darlington told BBC Radio 5 live.

"I didn't think anything of it, one wouldn't, would you? You'd think if something that was licensed to be put on turf it would be thoroughly researched. The reality is that it hasn't.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mightypen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Feb 2016 at 22:30
If I had a son daughter playing on such a pitch at hoppers I would want the club to underwrite any medical issues first as memory serves hoppers is an old duck farm and in the early days there was a lot of problems with infected cuts
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RedOrDead Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Feb 2016 at 00:24
If I had a "son daughter" playing for any club, I would make it my business to ensure that they're adequately insured before allowing them to take the field.

The more relevant point in terms of this thread is the risk (albeit very small) that the concerns about these surfaces (legitimate or not) could lead to 100 unusable pitches and 100 bills to stand in order to reinstate a usable surface.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote peter1944 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Feb 2016 at 19:24
playing rugby is dangerous enough, without increasing risk of 3g pitches surely must be also cheaper to maintain a natural grass surface stick to the natural product is my humble opinion.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Whaa Hoo Wilkey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Feb 2016 at 21:35
Disregarding any potential health issues, this thread seems to have lost its way somewhat. From my little knowledge, it would seem that 3G surfaces are not for every club, you will need to be in a position to create an income stream from hiring fees in order to re invest in maintenance, after 8 - 10 years, however you may have financed it in the first place. The RFU scheme, seems to be something else altogether, in terms of ownership and responsibility. Whilst everyone would prefer to play on a fast, flat, natural track, this is becoming a rarity in the North! If your Club is north of Stafford, it's likely that you will continue to lose plenty of fixtures during the winter months. This winter has so far been mayhem for some clubs, and we've hardly had a frost yet. We are very excited about the possibility of a 3G pitch at Macclesfield's Priory Park. There is hardly a dissenting voice in our club, probably because people now realise that the 3G playing surface is ideal for good rugby in all its facets.
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