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    Posted: 07 Jun 2019 at 09:39
I read an interesting article recently regarding the salaries of the Ireland 7s team after they qualified for the World Series. The basic salary for the players will remain at around £15,000, this was justified by the IRFU stating this is on par with development contracts at the 4 provinces, which coincides with the view they take with the sevens team seeing it as a development tool.
However, personally I don't see the Irish sevens side as a development team but as a separate team in it's own sport with players who are attempting to become career sevens players, not just young players harnessing skills before drifting back into the fifteen a side game.
With review of the England 7s team, the nation who pay the highest wages for sevens players in the world. I can see a number of examples of players who've essentially made a career out of sevens and haven't used it as a tool to develop for the fifteen a side game.Dan Norton,James Rodwell & Tom Mitchell to name a few.With the proposed budgets cuts and threat to the sevens programme in England aswell some poor performances recently, I just wondered how other posters viewed both the England Sevens team and rugby sevens in general. - Is it a development tool or it's own sport where players can/should be able to make a career out of it.


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Originally posted by dropout22 dropout22 wrote:

I read an interesting article recently regarding the salaries of the Ireland 7s team after they qualified for the World Series. The basic salary for the players will remain at around £15,000, this was justified by the IRFU stating this is on par with development contracts at the 4 provinces, which coincides with the view they take with the sevens team seeing it as a development tool.
However, personally I don't see the Irish sevens side as a development team but as a separate team in it's own sport with players who are attempting to become career sevens players, not just young players harnessing skills before drifting back into the fifteen a side game.
With review of the England 7s team, the nation who pay the highest wages for sevens players in the world. I can see a number of examples of players who've essentially made a career out of sevens and haven't used it as a tool to develop for the fifteen a side game.Dan Norton,James Rodwell & Tom Mitchell to name a few.With the proposed budgets cuts and threat to the sevens programme in England aswell some poor performances recently, I just wondered how other posters viewed both the England Sevens team and rugby sevens in general. - Is it a development tool or it's own sport where players can/should be able to make a career out of it.



From what you say I can see why RFU is trying to exit from 7s - overpaid and under-performing
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I'm not sure it does actually - I was brought up on the game as light relief at the end of the season and a bit of fun at the beginning. Top players turned out even in small tournaments and it was all relatively low key  although with a serious side as it gave players the opportunity to test themselves against the best.

I must admit that I watched the growth of the 7's circuit with a modicum of interest BUT as I rarely saw a game ( not on the BBC, too far away etc ) I didn't realise that the game had developed into a specialist sport. When I did take note I realised that the joy and unpredictability that had attracted me in the first place was now lacking and this was demonstrated when Eng were slaughtered by Fiji in the Olympics.

In an argument afterwards an individual expressed the view that Eng had shamefully capitulated - I explained that in the 7's game a side who can dominate possession through physicality,pace and precision will score again and again especially when fitness is factored in. In a final when the playing time INCREASES by 40% the dominant team becomes even more dominant which is what happened to Eng.

It would appear that this lesson has not been learned and accordingly I must question the sums being expended on competitions which appear to be of little interest to us in the UK .
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I can't really see how 7s can develop players for 15s.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bigmal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jun 2019 at 16:02
I agree especially as both games have developed significantly - there are still 7's players who can compete at Prem level in 15s and 15s players who can play 7s although opportunities are limited.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jun 2019 at 16:54
Originally posted by Bigmal Bigmal wrote:

I agree especially as both games have developed significantly - there are still 7's players who can compete at Prem level in 15s and 15s players who can play 7s although opportunities are limited.


With the 7s season spreading into the 15s season, it must be incredibly difficult to play both at the top level - possibly why 7s players play 15s at a lower level?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jul 2019 at 01:10
Whatever we think they have finished top of their pool on the first day of Olympic qualifying.
The hard games come tomorrow.
You might be able to watch on the Rugby Europe site - but it was struggling today.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jul 2019 at 23:32
Well they won, beating France in the Final - so will be going to Tokyo.
Ireland won the third place playoff against Portugal.
France and Ireland head to the repecharge.


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There was a joke kicking around in the early 90 after cuts in the welfare budgets and a departmental re-brand:

"D'you see how they've re-named it the DSS - how long before they drop the "D"?"

Based on this and the possibility of 6 Nations moving off terrestrial TV, how long before the RFU drop the "R"?


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They've been saying 'ah eff you' to the majority of rugby folk for years.
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