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Ineligible Players - Event Date: 28 Apr 2015

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    Posted: 28 Apr 2015 at 14:13
How come Gloucester get a suspended 2 point deduction for fielding an unregistered player when Old Albanians, Southend and others get an immediate 5 point deduction, which effectively relegates them from their league. I'm sure that this has been said many times before but it does seem inequitous.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kingsheathlad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Apr 2015 at 14:20
They did get a £5000 fine.
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Originally posted by NeilSKN NeilSKN wrote:

How come Gloucester get a suspended 2 point deduction for fielding an unregistered player when Old Albanians, Southend and others get an immediate 5 point deduction, which effectively relegates them from their league. I'm sure that this has been said many times before but it does seem inequitous.

It is because there is one rule for one and one for all others; it stinks. The circumstances seem very similar in most of the cases but Gloucester are a fully professional outfit whereas the others are clubs generally run by volunteers and don't have the necessary clout to seriously challenge the penalty.
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It says it was an an administrative error and not done to gain a competitive advantage. I can't imagine any club at any level would intentionally field an unregistered player knowing what the consequences would be having sent in your teem sheet. Further more, it says there were circumstances specific to this case .what could that mean.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Blutarsky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Apr 2015 at 15:14
The leagues are run by different bodies, therefore there are different outcomes. If Glaws were in an NCA run league then it would be hard to understand the difference in sanction, but they aren't, so it's not. 
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Originally posted by willtopps willtopps wrote:

The leagues are run by different bodies, therefore there are different outcomes. If Glaws were in an NCA run league then it would be hard to understand the difference in sanction, but they aren't, so it's not. 

This is the rub, while different levels of the game are administered by different bodies, these situations are going to arise.

If there's an inconsistency, it is with London Welsh's deduction. I understand that the circumstances were different, but the panel were quick to point out that the fact the LW had benefited from fielding the ineligible player (albeit for a greater length of time) was part of the reason for such a harsh penalty.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote HandsintheRuck Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Apr 2015 at 16:16
From a purely personal perspective, it would seem to me that the Clubs that fall under the jurisdiction of the NCA are disproportionately penalised for making what is, in the vast majority of cases, an administrational error. There appears to be no intent to deceive, nor to gain advantage and yet the yolk falls squarely on the shoulders of, largely unpaid, volunteers.

In the case of Old Albanian, it has resulted in their relegation. What on earth must that person, who probably gives their time freely for the love of the club, be feeling.....




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Maybe I should let sleeping dogs lie and in no way intend this as an attack on those volunteers responsible for clerical errors in the NCA leagues, but as long as I'm correct in thinking that it's possible to double check the RFU's database against the intended team sheet on a Friday night / Saturday morning, then I don't think the penalty is unreasonable.

As you say, I have much sympathy for whoever was responsible at OAs - he / she must be feeling terrible.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote HandsintheRuck Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Apr 2015 at 16:51
I agree with you RoD. It's not difficult, it's merely a matter of process. But mistakes are made and the punishment just doesn't seem to fit the crime. At least not at NCA level. 

It seems to me that a fine of £5k is water off a ducks back to a premiership team. Much rather dock them a significant number of points rather than sides in the lower leagues


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mark W-J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Apr 2015 at 17:01
Wasn't there a ruling a few years ago (and I can't remember the team involved, so can't search for it) in which the RFU basically suggested that NCA clubs have much more to gain from playing unregistered players whereas the Premiership clubs have full-time administrators and therefore any oversight/ error is more likely to be accidental as you wouldn't expect professionals to make 'deliberate' mistakes?  I'm sure that story has come up when similar situations have arisen in the past.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hexhamshire Lad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 May 2015 at 08:39
Precedents have been set in both the AP and NCA leagues, so i presume the current penalties will persist unless somebody takes them on through the court system. At the end of the day, is it such a bad thing? The penalty is well known and administered evenly so nobody can complain about being persecuted. Believe also that Rugby Lions were relegated as a consequence of a 5 point penalty. That would have been from the fourth tier of the game and they refused to blame the penalty for the relegation which was very gracious of them. 
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