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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Robb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 May 2019 at 16:23
Originally posted by Cannon Cannon wrote:

Originally posted by Rabbie Burns Rabbie Burns wrote:

Is rugby league in a similar state or is it thriving? I have no idea about this but do the league players of a similar level receive compensation that matches union or are they amateur? My feeling is that in the south Rugby is generated by the clubs as in most cases the rugby playing schools players cannot play twice at the weekend so they tend to follow a different pathway until Colts
I heard that the Rugby League amateur clubs in the north had approached the RFU earlier in the season about rejoining back into the fold. They are disheartened that the professional RL game is leaving them behind (I'm sure I've heard that somewhere else!!).


Let them return to the fold if they renounce the heathen ways of the lesser code! We are perfectly willing to forgive their foolish ways.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Richard Lowther Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 May 2019 at 18:54
Originally posted by backrowb backrowb wrote:

89 Amatuer RL clubs in Yorkshire.


I'm sure there are more than that. The Pennine League has 94 according to Wikipedia. The BARLA site is awful BTW.

What complicates things is the Summer/Winter split and teams running sides in both.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 May 2019 at 21:37
Originally posted by greenpower greenpower wrote:

just my view but  take a look at the final tables   in both divisions  the south side finishing  second more often   than not has home advantage  ( should really be neutral)  in the playoff   because  it is a lot harder  in the northern division    where you have 2 or 3 decent teams in the south  there.s at least 10 in the north taking points off each other   fylde for example  had to win 18 games  to finish 6th  and  clifton in the south   only 12


This season was exceptional - you are taking advantage of that to try to prove your point. All the teams between 6th and 14th won at least 10 games

Look at it another way, the top 4 sides in N2S all got more points than any team in N2N! This was despite all but the bottom team in N2S got more points than the bottom 3 in the North - so not so many easy points on offer in the South.

You could say this points to a mediocre league in the North, whereas the South had 4 exceptionally good teams.

All comparisons show is that you can make statistics prove almost anything.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote backrowb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 May 2019 at 22:09
93.2% of statistics are made up
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mostly by  southern,ers
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Loo fighters Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 May 2019 at 07:00
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by greenpower greenpower wrote:

just my view but  take a look at the final tables   in both divisions  the south side finishing  second more often   than not has home advantage  ( should really be neutral)  in the playoff   because  it is a lot harder  in the northern division    where you have 2 or 3 decent teams in the south  there.s at least 10 in the north taking points off each other   fylde for example  had to win 18 games  to finish 6th  and  clifton in the south   only 12


This season was exceptional - you are taking advantage of that to try to prove your point. All the teams between 6th and 14th won at least 10 games

Look at it another way, the top 4 sides in N2S all got more points than any team in N2N! This was despite all but the bottom team in N2S got more points than the bottom 3 in the North - so not so many easy points on offer in the South.

You could say this points to a mediocre league in the North, whereas the South had 4 exceptionally good teams.

All comparisons show is that you can make statistics prove almost anything.


50 points between 4th & 6th shows the lack of competitive depth in N2S. For me it highlights a league of have's & have not's.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RJV Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 May 2019 at 07:35
Great topic this, always riles the NVsS xenophobes in us all. I would say that N2S does have a slight weakness in its tail year to year but no less than N2N which is also carrying a few yo yo teams. The presence of a few exceptional teams in N2S does not necessarily show weakness in the league but more that someone somewhere wants to progress and that the year they walk it is the year they transition to the next level and long may they stay there once up! I totally agree that the neutral play off venue is long overdue. Both teams work hard to get there and depending on the strength of their respective league that year will determine the venue for the playoff. The north sides seem to struggle to travel in the playoffs where as the south have travelled well recently (when asked). Its all very difficult to determine the answer to the original post, I read somewhere, how many northerners travel south to play and if successful are they making us southerners look good? Id say its 50/50 with no statistical proof whatsoever. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote greeneyed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 May 2019 at 12:17
Yorkshire has always been very good at producing and organising age-group rugby, where the community clubs are left alone to develop not just the skills, but the club loyalty and esprit de corps. Then the kids leave to go to University or to the south looking for employment (fine) or to the so-called professional clubs in the Championship LOL (not fine, because it fouls up their life chances by pretending that rugby provides a career). Then there are the Academies Dead who seduce youngsters away from their clubs, often to sit on the bench until they are loaned out to some 'club' where they have no links at all.
 
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Originally posted by Loo fighters Loo fighters wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by greenpower greenpower wrote:

just my view but  take a look at the final tables   in both divisions  the south side finishing  second more often   than not has home advantage  ( should really be neutral)  in the playoff   because  it is a lot harder  in the northern division    where you have 2 or 3 decent teams in the south  there.s at least 10 in the north taking points off each other   fylde for example  had to win 18 games  to finish 6th  and  clifton in the south   only 12


This season was exceptional - you are taking advantage of that to try to prove your point. All the teams between 6th and 14th won at least 10 games

Look at it another way, the top 4 sides in N2S all got more points than any team in N2N! This was despite all but the bottom team in N2S got more points than the bottom 3 in the North - so not so many easy points on offer in the South.

You could say this points to a mediocre league in the North, whereas the South had 4 exceptionally good teams.

All comparisons show is that you can make statistics prove almost anything.


50 points between 4th & 6th shows the lack of competitive depth in N2S. For me it highlights a league of have's & have not's.


Would have to disagree with you on that point, very simplistic way of looking at it .....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Richard Lowther Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 May 2019 at 18:46
My informed source has been crunching the numbers on this issue and reports that the Northern clubs have been comparitively consistent over the last seven years plus the next season.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 May 2019 at 23:37
I believe you are you counting London Irish as L&SE even though Reading is in the SW
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