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    Posted: 30 Nov 2018 at 18:31
Hope this is temporary

Link in CorporalCarrot post, thanks sir.

Edited by KnightsBoy - 30 Nov 2018 at 19:06
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote corporalcarrot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Nov 2018 at 18:51
Cant use the link 

Is this the one?


Edited by corporalcarrot - 30 Nov 2018 at 18:54
Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote KnightsBoy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Nov 2018 at 19:05
Yes that's the one CC
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote corporalcarrot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Nov 2018 at 19:32
The club's financial difficulties have been well reported in the past KB and there is clearly no embarrassment or secret about this as there is a related article on their own website:
As a tax payer in Jersey for over 40 years imo its well short of the daftest thing the Island's government has done over the years - the Island must have covered that expense easily when Irish, Blues, Pirates or Donny visited for matches at St Peter by tax on the extra revenue in local hotels & restaurants (not to mention bars). I try to reciprocate when visiting Donny by acquiring extra pie for the train journey down to Gatwick.
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CC I am amazed at your travelling throughout the season, a true fan of rugby.
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Sorry a bit stunned is this true 
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So basically another club living beyond its means, any side could climb the league if they spend unrealistic amounts of money!!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Robb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Dec 2018 at 18:47
Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

The club's financial difficulties have been well reported in the past KB and there is clearly no embarrassment or secret about this as there is a related article on their own website:
As a tax payer in Jersey for over 40 years imo its well short of the daftest thing the Island's government has done over the years - the Island must have covered that expense easily when Irish, Blues, Pirates or Donny visited for matches at St Peter by tax on the extra revenue in local hotels & restaurants (not to mention bars). I try to reciprocate when visiting Donny by acquiring extra pie for the train journey down to Gatwick.

I always thought they didn't do this whole tax lark in Jersey!
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The Jersey management will have to get their heads round the overblown player budget.Face up to the issue or every chance of going bust.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 09:16
I think it has more to do with dropping gate numbers.
From a peak of 2,250 per match in their last season in Nat 1 which stayed level as they went up and stareted losing - but to some glamour clubs, now down to 1,650 in the Championship and possibly fewer in the cup.

So that is less gate money and fewer pints of Liberation ale sold.

The way to get the spectators back is to start winning - but you cannot afford to start winning without spectators.

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Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

The club's financial difficulties have been well reported in the past KB and there is clearly no embarrassment or secret about this as there is a related article on their own website:
As a tax payer in Jersey for over 40 years imo its well short of the daftest thing the Island's government has done over the years - the Island must have covered that expense easily when Irish, Blues, Pirates or Donny visited for matches at St Peter by tax on the extra revenue in local hotels & restaurants (not to mention bars). I try to reciprocate when visiting Donny by acquiring extra pie for the train journey down to Gatwick.

I always thought they didn't do this whole tax lark in Jersey!

 

VAT is 5% in Jersey so the 150k would be covered by the first £3m pounds taken by the hotels bars etc after that its pure profit for the island
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Runitback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 10:58
The Jersey Government money is "Bridge funding" so that presumes the club will have some way or repaying the money when they find another source of income or sponsor! The fact that the Club no longer owns its own facilities means that the only way they can increase their income is to find a new or bigger sponsor.

Presumably continued unsustainable loses will be reflected in next years squad?

I would love to know which Championship clubs actually manage to break even or turn a profit . . ?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 12:01
It is not the purpose of a club to make a profit - only continue to provide rugby which means not to making a sustained loss.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 12:16
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

I think it has more to do with dropping gate numbers.
From a peak of 2,250 per match in their last season in Nat 1 which stayed level as they went up and stareted losing - but to some glamour clubs, now down to 1,650 in the Championship and possibly fewer in the cup.

So that is less gate money and fewer pints of Liberation ale sold.

The way to get the spectators back is to start winning - but you cannot afford to start winning without spectators.



The Reds were on a roll during the march through the national leagues, and spectator numbers were high. They remained high (above 2k average) in the first two Championship seasons, in spite of winning few games (11th place both times). A significant increase in fortunes on the field (mid-table four seasons running) has unfortunately been accompanied by a drop in numbers. We have a relatively small catchment area, and it seems the novelty has, for some 'fringe' supporters on the Island, worn off. lots of work is going on in a bid to address/reverse this.

So starting winning hasn't got spectators back in recent seasons, but in the hope that it may yet, we adopted the 'start winning' blueprint on Sept 28th this season, and have won every game since!

Originally posted by Runitback Runitback wrote:

The fact that the Club no longer owns its own facilities means that the only way they can increase their income is to find a new or bigger sponsor.

I would love to know which Championship clubs actually manage to break even or turn a profit . . ?


The fact you've stated isn't a fact R-i-b... the Reds were forced to sell assets in late 2016, but these were bought back in early 2018.

I'm not sure which Champ clubs break even - I believe Richmond are one, but not sure if there are many (any?) others? If a club has a shortfall between income and expenditure, which it meets via support from a benefactor, corporate backer or (in this case) government funding, does that count as 'breaking even'?

Do any Prem clubs break even? I recall reading that Exeter were the only one?


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An opportunity for the cats to sharpen their claws - it would seem.

I think the topic is about Jersey and their current situation. Perhaps we should just wish them well, hope that they resolve their current situation and leave it at that......
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Visiting Club supporters has fallen off due to the expensive flight tickets.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 13:07
Originally posted by stadium stadium wrote:

Visiting Club supporters has fallen off due to the expensive flight tickets.


Appreciate it's difficult from west Cornwall - I guess that applies to any away trip to some extent. Exeter Airport is more than 2 hours from Pz and has limited flights, and any other airport is another hour at least. Chartering from Newquay has worked for us twice, with a mix of players, coaches and supporters filling the seats, and saves a night's accommodation/food costs...

Other clubs in more central locations have a range of airports/airlines, and decent prices can be obtained especially for those booking well in advance. Gatwick has BA and Eazy competing against each other, with 6-10 flights in total per day depending on time of year. School holidays and half-term can have an effect too...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Blues Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 13:48
Blues broke even (small profit) in the year to 30 June 2017.  I doubt we did in 2018 though.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Runitback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 14:21
Castleparknight . . it is not about sharpening claws its about trying to perform on a level playing field, not specifically Jersey. Clubs have to live within their means, whatever they be . . ie reliant on good support such as Bedford  or a large benefactor such as Ealing. If however you continue to set a player budget beyond your means you are asking for trouble and probably inflating your true league position.

I wish Jersey well and I am sure their board have a good business plan in place, but if it is soley reliant on finding new and bigger sponsors they may face problems!

Islander I apologise if I have my facts wrong about ownership of your ground, but I was of the opinion that it has been bought by private individuals and JR play their FOC but currently without full ownership?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Member728 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 14:38
Run it back and I quote the Jersey money man's speech  at the Richmond lunch on Saturday 
the ground was bought back for 1.5 million with a loan from benefactors Jersey  have  now sold some land for 950k which they hope to get the money in January 
so you are right 
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