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Reverting to ‘original name’ Leeds Tykes. 

When can I start calling them Headingley? 
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 aside since Headingley and Roundhay merged the club has been known as Leeds, Leeds Tykes, Leeds Carnegie, Yorkshire Carnegie and Leeds Tykes (again). What a mess!

On this note, what are people’s views on the way some rugby clubs add an extra word to the club name? I’ve never understood why Newcastle added Falcons or Sale with Sharks. I understand the historical association with Leicester and Tigers but generally I think it’s an awful Americanism we’ve brought over. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CJB1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Sep 2020 at 09:04
Originally posted by Novocastrian Novocastrian wrote:

Reverting to ‘original name’ Leeds Tykes. 

When can I start calling them Headingley? 
Wink

All jokes 
 aside since Headingley and Roundhay merged the club has been known as Leeds, Leeds Tykes, Leeds Carnegie, Yorkshire Carnegie and Leeds Tykes (again). What a mess!

On this note, what are people’s views on the way some rugby clubs add an extra word to the club name? I’ve never understood why Newcastle added Falcons or Sale with Sharks. I understand the historical association with Leicester and Tigers but generally I think it’s an awful Americanism we’ve brought over. 
I'm not greatly in favour, especially when it replaces an established nickname that just wasn't part of a club's name.  RL has seen a proliferation of these, withe Widnes becoming Vikings rather than the Chemics, and Warrington are now Wolves rather than the historic Wire.  Happily Hull FC dropped the "Sharks" moniker.

But funnily enough, I was reminded of this sort of thing this morning.  On FB, I belong to a group centred on the small town I grew up in, which is Sedgley, about halfway between Dudley and Wolverhampton.  Someone posted a "buy this" in here, for a hoodie - the motif being that of Sedgley Tigers.  Nice guess, but the Tigers are really Sedgley Park, from Whitefield in Bury, many miles away.  I've seen the Tigers when they've come to play at Mose, of course, in those days they called themselves Sedgley Park, and "Tigers" was just the informal nickname.  Adopting it as their team name has now caused unnecessary geographical confusion.  And, to finish the story, the Sedgley with the DY3 postcode doesn't have a rugby team anyway.
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I've lost track of whats going on in that neck of the woods but would love to know where all the monies gone.
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Was there ever any money - I thought the reason for the merger was one of the clubs was bust and the other had no players - so it was merge or die for the pair.

And if we are talking name changs Newcastle was originally Gosforth.
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Originally posted by Novocastrian Novocastrian wrote:

Reverting to ‘original name’ Leeds Tykes. 

When can I start calling them Headingley? 
Wink

All jokes 
 aside since Headingley and Roundhay merged the club has been known as Leeds, Leeds Tykes, Leeds Carnegie, Yorkshire Carnegie and Leeds Tykes (again). What a mess!

On this note, what are people’s views on the way some rugby clubs add an extra word to the club name? I’ve never understood why Newcastle added Falcons or Sale with Sharks. I understand the historical association with Leicester and Tigers but generally I think it’s an awful Americanism we’ve brought over. 


I think the Premiership have encouraged these 'nicknames' as a marketing ploy.

I see Leeds are moving their training base to West Park Leeds, but are clinging to the hope that they will still play at least some games at Headingley (Rl ground - there is a tie up at board level between Rhinos and Tykes)
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Novocastrian Novocastrian wrote:

Reverting to ‘original name’ Leeds Tykes. 

When can I start calling them Headingley? 
Wink

All jokes 
 aside since Headingley and Roundhay merged the club has been known as Leeds, Leeds Tykes, Leeds Carnegie, Yorkshire Carnegie and Leeds Tykes (again). What a mess!

On this note, what are people’s views on the way some rugby clubs add an extra word to the club name? I’ve never understood why Newcastle added Falcons or Sale with Sharks. I understand the historical association with Leicester and Tigers but generally I think it’s an awful Americanism we’ve brought over. 


I think the Premiership have encouraged these 'nicknames' as a marketing ploy.

I see Leeds are moving their training base to West Park Leeds, but are clinging to the hope that they will still play at least some games at Headingley (Rl ground - there is a tie up at board level between Rhinos and Tykes)

Although AIUI West Park have since then put out a statement that it's all still being worked on, which suggests someone may have jumped the gun, especially given Otley were supposed to be sharing with West Park...
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Novocastrian Novocastrian wrote:

Reverting to ‘original name’ Leeds Tykes. 

When can I start calling them Headingley? 
Wink

All jokes 
 aside since Headingley and Roundhay merged the club has been known as Leeds, Leeds Tykes, Leeds Carnegie, Yorkshire Carnegie and Leeds Tykes (again). What a mess!

On this note, what are people’s views on the way some rugby clubs add an extra word to the club name? I’ve never understood why Newcastle added Falcons or Sale with Sharks. I understand the historical association with Leicester and Tigers but generally I think it’s an awful Americanism we’ve brought over. 


I think the Premiership have encouraged these 'nicknames' as a marketing ploy.

I see Leeds are moving their training base to West Park Leeds, but are clinging to the hope that they will still play at least some games at Headingley (Rl ground - there is a tie up at board level between Rhinos and Tykes)

While there is definitely a huge emphasis on these 'nicknames' for marketing in a financial sense, it is also marketing as a tool to get and keep kids involved. A club like Sale fighting for people to watch them against all the nearby football/rugby league alternatives. To adults a human dressed up in a shark costume may not grab the attention, but it does for youngsters
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Originally posted by billesleyexile billesleyexile wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Novocastrian Novocastrian wrote:

Reverting to ‘original name’ Leeds Tykes. 

When can I start calling them Headingley? 
Wink

All jokes 
 aside since Headingley and Roundhay merged the club has been known as Leeds, Leeds Tykes, Leeds Carnegie, Yorkshire Carnegie and Leeds Tykes (again). What a mess!

On this note, what are people’s views on the way some rugby clubs add an extra word to the club name? I’ve never understood why Newcastle added Falcons or Sale with Sharks. I understand the historical association with Leicester and Tigers but generally I think it’s an awful Americanism we’ve brought over. 


I think the Premiership have encouraged these 'nicknames' as a marketing ploy.

I see Leeds are moving their training base to West Park Leeds, but are clinging to the hope that they will still play at least some games at Headingley (Rl ground - there is a tie up at board level between Rhinos and Tykes)

Although AIUI West Park have since then put out a statement that it's all still being worked on, which suggests someone may have jumped the gun, especially given Otley were supposed to be sharing with West Park...
Otley?  Why?   Are they redeveloping Cross Green or something?
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they were supposed to be leaving cross green and locating just down the road to a new ground behind the garden centre
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I believe they are at Cross Green with Grovians this season. 
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Was there ever any money - I thought the reason for the merger was one of the clubs was bust and the other had no players - so it was merge or die for the pair.

And if we are talking name changs Newcastle was originally Gosforth.

Oh yes. If you weren’t in the know on such matters, you’d be forgiven for thinking Newcastle Falcons have always been called that. There’s rarely much mention of the club’s origins and history. People under the age of 25 may wonder why one of the stands has green and white seats.

Recently I had to pull the club up on the fact that they were rejoicing that their women’s team played their inaugural fixture this year. I told them they used to have a Ladies team from the late 80s until the early 90s - but was dismissed that was in the ‘Newcastle Gosforth’ days. Surely it’s the same club?! Or can they not be bothered to research their own history if it was pre 1995?

I understand the need to market a club (hence name changes to Leeds/Newcastle etc) but I don’t believe adding an animal to the end of the name endears it to kids so much that they’ll attend a game. 

The Sedgley point is interesting. More and more clubs at grassroots level have changed their names in recent years. I’m yet to see it make a difference...


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Sedgley have been known as the Tigers since the club was formed in 1932, something to do with the shirts they wore at the time. It did help with marketing the club in the rise up the leagues and certainly for the 5 years they spent at Level 2.
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Originally posted by Novocastrian Novocastrian wrote:

Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Was there ever any money - I thought the reason for the merger was one of the clubs was bust and the other had no players - so it was merge or die for the pair.

And if we are talking name changs Newcastle was originally Gosforth.


The Sedgley point is interesting. More and more clubs at grassroots level have changed their names in recent years. I’m yet to see it make a difference...

So true. It's quite common all this pointless renaming here in the south east. We have Aylesford Bulls, Southend Saxons, London Irish Amateur calling themselves Wild Geese, Guernsey Raiders, Jersey Reds and of course the Civil Service can't decide if they're CS Rugby or CS Stags 1863 to name but a few. 


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Preston Grasshoppers have been so named since their formation in 1869, although there was a proposal to change it to Preston Football Club a few years later, thankfully this was out voted.
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Ever since Esher were formed our 2nd XV has been called Cardinals, our 3rd XV Abbots and our 4th XV Priors.

London Irish Wild Geese has a strong case for accuracy, it was used in the 16th - 18th Centuries to describe Irish soldiers who went abroad to fight. 

In a poem written in 1913, W.B. Yeats would mourn:

Was it for this the Wild Geese spread
A grey wing on every tide…

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The nickname differentiates the 1st XV from the rest of the club. Not so long ago the first team were unsurprisingly known as the 'first team' Now you have an array of Lions,raiders,falcons, G Force(couldnt resist that one!) etc.
Some clubs have nicknames for their 2nd team as well to keep them different too!
Also sponsors quite often only interested in the top team so want to focus on them and no other team


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Somebody also wants to inform the man from Leeds that they are playing in National 1 and not National 3 as he stated. Unless he knows something others don't!
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Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

So true. It's quite common all this pointless renaming here in the south east. We have Aylesford Bulls, Southend Saxons, London Irish Amateur calling themselves Wild Geese, Guernsey Raiders, Jersey Reds and of course the Civil Service can't decide if they're CS Rugby or CS Stags 1863 to name but a few. 

A bit of trivia as to why Aylesford Bulls. The club was originally started in the Bull Inn in Linton so there's a name with some history there. 
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