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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Given we ar enot sure that Leeds will have a 1st team, asking for a second team might be too much.



I think we are - it may look more like Sale A, but with the RFU determined that tgey have a team, and can be shoehorned into the PremierInn as the 13th franchise, they will have a team.
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MG, it isn't over to the Fat Lady sings and she is still clearing her throat with TCP at the moment.
 
Don't forget YC was amalgamation of several proud old Clubs and only became the state its in by trying to keep with the near neighbours and the more affluent one's down in your neck of the woods. YC Academy use to be a shining example of how to run a mainly RFU funded Academy that produced a lot good young players. I have the sneakiest of sneaky feelings that YC will emerge with a host of loan/dr's and whatever they can cobble together. Bit harsh on the YC Board and I think Rhinos would prefer to have a tenant who was filling the coffers in the winter months rather than struggling like mad.
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I presume the YC Academy used to be the Leeds Tykes Academy which was run by Stuart Lancaster?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Big Eddie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jul 2019 at 15:39
Originally posted by OldNick OldNick wrote:

Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Given we ar enot sure that Leeds will have a 1st team, asking for a second team might be too much.



I think we are - it may look more like Sale A, but with the RFU determined that tgey have a team, and can be shoehorned into the PremierInn as the 13th franchise, they will have a team.

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YC = Sale Sharks A+ - Championship
Sale FC = Sale Sharks A- Nat 1

It may all become a bit of a merry go round up north

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote fenboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jul 2019 at 15:43
Interesting you mention Rhinos (or the ground's owners) and tenants. I think a pertinent question to ask them is what would be the effect of mothballing Headingley over the winter.

Leeds were a merger of the old Headingley and Roundhay clubs, and it was much trumpeted that they had created the first dual-code partnership with Rhinos at the time of their inception. The word partnership seemed to disappear after Caddick withdrew his funding and recalled his loans, and though there are a few YC diehards who still refer to the Rhinos as a sister club one only has to look around to the ground to see that the union side are treated as very poor distant relatives. I suspect that there will be even fewer facilities available to the spectators at Headingley this season, with the £100k mooted as ground rent contributing towards a skeleton staff.

I really can't see any major investment coming in to build a Premiership team at Headingley, unless somebody came in with an offer to buy out the parent company and run both the league and union sides on an equal footing, but that really is fantasy island stuff. Besides, the Rhinos would never allow such a situation to occur, even though they have been quietly sponsored by the union side over the years.
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Originally posted by fenboy fenboy wrote:

Interesting you mention Rhinos (or the ground's owners) and tenants. I think a pertinent question to ask them is what would be the effect of mothballing Headingley over the winter.

Leeds were a merger of the old Headingley and Roundhay clubs, and it was much trumpeted that they had created the first dual-code partnership with Rhinos at the time of their inception. The word partnership seemed to disappear after Caddick withdrew his funding and recalled his loans, and though there are a few YC diehards who still refer to the Rhinos as a sister club one only has to look around to the ground to see that the union side are treated as very poor distant relatives. I suspect that there will be even fewer facilities available to the spectators at Headingley this season, with the £100k mooted as ground rent contributing towards a skeleton staff.

I really can't see any major investment coming in to build a Premiership team at Headingley, unless somebody came in with an offer to buy out the parent company and run both the league and union sides on an equal footing, but that really is fantasy island stuff. Besides, the Rhinos would never allow such a situation to occur, even though they have been quietly sponsored by the union side over the years.


One benefit would be the pitch would not get damaged by the scrummaging on wet pitches through the winter
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fly Half Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jul 2019 at 08:51
Fenboy 'quietly sponsored by the union side' - risable.

Mothballed over winter? The league season runs to Oct,then the odd international.Pre season starts late nov and their Boxing Day game attracts more than Carnegie do over their entire season.Just allows the Rhinos to play a couple more pre season gamesat Headingley,rather than play away.

The Headingley corporate facilities are used every day of the year for various functions.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jul 2019 at 09:07
Well they used to pay £400k a year plus wet sales. So over half the RFu contribution went to the league side.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote fenboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jul 2019 at 09:34
Cheers Camquin, that's what I was getting at.

I've no doubt the corporate facilities are used every day. But the stadium equipment, and the players facilities? And the back office staff? 

To say nothing of the murky rumours of 'dual-registered' players....

… and the contrived signing of Sinfield

….and the removal of photos of Union players from the bar to be replaced by generic Rhinos advertising material....

Yup - risable.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The 15 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jul 2019 at 10:23
The rent, and Wet Sales,was like committing commercial suicide ,This disaster has been coming for a while.The people responsible are obvious. Did not an ex player come out recently saying it was the worst managed club he had ever been involved with.Some of the fans response was that you signed contract and took Salary what a stupid response . Was he supposed to play for nothing. But it now looks like its coming home to roost.
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The poisoned chalice was the sponsorship from Carnegie. A 10 year £10 million deal. Nobody is going to work too hard to grow a business with that sort of money. It was only when the end of the cash was in sight that panic set in. Rebrand as Yorkshire to widen the begging bowl - West Yorkshire being so tribal that nobody from Bradford would sponsor a team called 'Leeds'.

It's too late now, but whilst they had that sort of money IMHO they should have moved the playing operation to a ground that they would have had a bit more leverage in controlling. John Charles Stadium would have been more realistic. Headingley would still be there should they ever returned to the Premiership. Nobody would realistically put money into the Union team knowing that a large slice is going to the upkeep of Headingley.

Sadly, when Paul Caddick removed his major support YC ceased to be a 'club'. They are little more than a badge and a Northern franchise, and should the rumoured tie-up with Sale become reality then this will be even more so. It must be so sad for the followers of the team, and even more so for followers of fine old clubs Headingley and Roundhay who made way for this 'club' in the first place.

It must be obvious that high-level Rugby Union has stalled, if not completely failed, in West Yorkshire. I can only wonder what Doncaster have apparently done wrong, as surely they must tick all the boxes for investment in achieving the goal of Premiership Rugby in Yorkshire.


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YC may have sponsors lined up for this season but unless there is someone with massively deep pockets and a bizarre desire to get involved in what in reality will be a rugby start up at level 2, I cannot see what on earth a sponsor has to gain from association with YC other than ploughing through an awful lot of money.

It will take a £ multi million commitment to succeed - from a business perspective this would be a really dumb gamble. 
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Orrell written all over going forwards, itll be a slow demise down the leagues , change of ground then extinction, reform as amateurs
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If YC go there will be no reforming . .  as BE says this is a totally pointless exercise by YC and RFU . . more money will be wasted and it undermines all the properly run clubs . .  it has simply become a franchise and without owning any assets who wants that?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote High Heidjin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jul 2019 at 15:53
Originally posted by fenboy fenboy wrote:

The poisoned chalice was the sponsorship from Carnegie. A 10 year £10 million deal. Nobody is going to work too hard to grow a business with that sort of money. It was only when the end of the cash was in sight that panic set in. Rebrand as Yorkshire to widen the begging bowl

And taxpayers’ money at that !! Therein lies the initial problem, complacency, without a ‘what happens if ?’ plan. Hartpury will possibly follow the same route.
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In all honesty was there ever a realistic chance of making Rugby Union work as a top-level spectator sport in Leeds, without the financial backing of a Yorkshire Abramovich type figure? Listened to Mark Evans, ex-chief executive of Harlequins, on a podcast a couple of weeks ago talk about how hard it is for 3 different professional sports to be successful in the same city outside of anywhere that is much bigger than Leeds, and Union is very much the 3rd sport in Leeds behind football and League.
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A cynic might suggest they are hanging on long enough to get the funding, pay a years rent to Rhinos then will go underShocked
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Originally posted by Adoptedgog Adoptedgog wrote:

In all honesty was there ever a realistic chance of making Rugby Union work as a top-level spectator sport in Leeds, without the financial backing of a Yorkshire Abramovich type figure? Listened to Mark Evans, ex-chief executive of Harlequins, on a podcast a couple of weeks ago talk about how hard it is for 3 different professional sports to be successful in the same city outside of anywhere that is much bigger than Leeds, and Union is very much the 3rd sport in Leeds behind football and League.
 

Would agree totally Nottingham is a great example and we have 4 with Football, Cricket, Rugby and Ice Hockey + a top class Hockey club at Beeston
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Originally posted by donnyladinsheffield donnyladinsheffield wrote:

A cynic might suggest they are hanging on long enough to get the funding, pay a years rent to Rhinos then will go underShocked

As I've put on other boards, Get the funding this year, hope for no relegation this coming season i.e. 13 team premiership, get the funding for the season after. That's two years to find a sucker investor.
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Makes one think back to the great days of Headingley and Roundhay RFC’s
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