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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Big Eddie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Aug 2019 at 11:14
Fenboy are you a Yorkshire Carnegie supporter?

If you are it would be good to know whether you view the sentiments expressed in this thread and in the Poll thread as fair r over the top. At present it is only Richard offering any alternative view point.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote fenboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Aug 2019 at 12:02
I used to follow Leeds Tykes/Carnegie for 15 years. I now follow rugby at a lower level, matchday to me is now far more enjoyable!

I think many of the comments on here are fair, obviously emotions run high. In my opinion YC are not a club, they are a franchise, and are seen by the stadium owners as a source of revenue to keep Headingley open during the winter. If I liked conspiracy theories I might think that a nod has been given somewhere to let YC know that there will be no relegation this season and that CVC will be expanding the Premiership next year and that they would love a team based out of the swanky new Headingley.

Personally, I believe they should have dropped down the leagues and reformed with their own facilities (RFC Tykes of Leeds?), they'd have generated far more goodwill, and possibly more support.

Again, all in my opinion, of course.

A slap in the face to CLUBS like Doncaster.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Big Eddie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Aug 2019 at 12:08
Thanks fenboy a very good perspective which I think everyone on Rolling Maul supports
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote fenboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Aug 2019 at 12:13
No worries.

Last season Hartpury took a load of stick for the number of loanees they took on. YC went down the mercenary route. If they'd have kept the same squad and played in a three-way dogfight with Hartpury and Richmond their players would have gained invaluable experience in performing in a tight corner, and YC would have retained a modicum of respect.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mountain Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Aug 2019 at 12:21
Originally posted by fenboy fenboy wrote:

I used to follow Leeds Tykes/Carnegie for 15 years. I now follow rugby at a lower level, matchday to me is now far more enjoyable!

I think many of the comments on here are fair, obviously emotions run high. In my opinion YC are not a club, they are a franchise, and are seen by the stadium owners as a source of revenue to keep Headingley open during the winter. If I liked conspiracy theories I might think that a nod has been given somewhere to let YC know that there will be no relegation this season and that CVC will be expanding the Premiership next year and that they would love a team based out of the swanky new Headingley.

Personally, I believe they should have dropped down the leagues and reformed with their own facilities (RFC Tykes of Leeds?), they'd have generated far more goodwill, and possibly more support.

Again, all in my opinion, of course.

A slap in the face to CLUBS like Doncaster.

Or what about 2 clubs; Headingley and Roundhay??!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Richard Lowther Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Aug 2019 at 12:28
Originally posted by fenboy fenboy wrote:



A slap in the face to CLUBS like Doncaster.

I play Devils Advocate with some of my posts. 

The rugby community is made up of clubs of all different types and sizes. From the village side with just one XV to those running five or more sides; those that have kids and colts rugby teams, to those that don't. To those that have womens rugby or disability teams to those that don't.

To those that own their own swanky stadium to those who play a school playing field and change in the local pub.

The clubs who are owned by sugar daddies with paid staff to those owned by the members and run by volunteers.

Each and eveyone play a part in our great game.

Therefore it is ridiculous to keep saying Yorkshire Carnegie are not a club. They are, they meet the dictionary definition and they are members of the RFU. 




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If De Mulder & LLoyd stop chucking money at Donny?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Big Eddie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Aug 2019 at 12:43
Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

I play Devils Advocate with some of my posts. 

The rugby community is made up of clubs of all different types and sizes. From the village side with just one XV to those running five or more sides; those that have kids and colts rugby teams, to those that don't. To those that have womens rugby or disability teams to those that don't.

To those that own their own swanky stadium to those who play a school playing field and change in the local pub.

The clubs who are owned by sugar daddies with paid staff to those owned by the members and run by volunteers.

Each and eveyone play a part in our great game.

Therefore it is ridiculous to keep saying Yorkshire Carnegie are not a club. They are, they meet the dictionary definition and they are members of the RFU. 

Someone playing devil's advocate is invaluable in any one sided debate

As far as the dictionary definition of a club is concerned I am sure you are right Richard.

However I suspect that this is the first time that the RFU have said to a club who have gone bust and have no team - "don't worry we will support you even though you have not given any indication to anyone (and least of all your creditors and former players) that you have any clue how to run a rugby club - we will let you have £500k this year - go out and buy a team by tempting players from other clubs - we don't care about club rugby at level 3 and below and as we have squeezed loads more cash out of those guys and have stopped our spending on them you can have the money we have saved"
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pappashanga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Aug 2019 at 13:58
No doubt YC fit the legal definition. I think what the bloggers mean is that it is not a club in the traditional sense as they understand it.
As for one sided debate, I assume YC representatives are free to register here and put their point of view. I do wish they'd do so, as belaboring the same points is a bit boring. Also we might be nicer to them if they were able to provide satisfactory explanation for what appears to be going on.
However the recent poaching expedition has caused another flare up.
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What will all those teams like Cambridge & HI do to fill the gaps in their squads caused by YC's poaching - they will have to go and look around and below them and likely given the closeness of the season start flash the cash to tempt others from their lower level clubs

Whilst people at the top might just say "it's only a few players moving to YC" they forget this cascades down through the leagues and I wouldnt be surprised to find the actual number of player moves between teams as a result of this being >50, some of them may not be straight away but into the season when injuries to squads hit but they will happen and to the detriment of many clubs. If a club bring someone in against a tight deadline and have to pay a bit more then current players will get grumpy if they get to know the amount (and it usually comes out somehow) and disquiet reigns supreme
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And all this ill will could have been avoided if the RFU had done the right thing and placed YC in National One. If it truly is a club/has any support or use, it would have found a way to survive. If it is not and fell by the wayside then so be it, just as others have gone before. The fact it will only exist due to direct RFU funding is a disgrace.
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On the player recruitment front I’m not entirely sure what else Leeds are meant to do?

It’s inconceivable that the RFU, in granting them their Championship place for 2019/20, couldn’t foresee them poaching from L3/4 to add to the DRs/loans.
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Originally posted by The Joy of (Level) 7 The Joy of (Level) 7 wrote:

On the player recruitment front I’m not entirely sure what else Leeds are meant to do?

It’s inconceivable that the RFU, in granting them their Championship place for 2019/20, couldn’t foresee them poaching from L3/4 to add to the DRs/loans.

Of course the RFU foresaw that likelihood but as they do not care at all for anything below level 2 this was a none issue in the eyes of the RFU
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Originally posted by Big Eddie Big Eddie wrote:

Originally posted by The Joy of (Level) 7 The Joy of (Level) 7 wrote:

On the player recruitment front I’m not entirely sure what else Leeds are meant to do?

It’s inconceivable that the RFU, in granting them their Championship place for 2019/20, couldn’t foresee them poaching from L3/4 to add to the DRs/loans.

Of course the RFU foresaw that likelihood but as they do not care at all for anything below level 2 this was a none issue in the eyes of the RFU

I think you're crediting them with too much interest in level 2 there BE - surely the whole problem is that they *don't* care full stop?

In answer to TJoL7's question, given they are where they are there's not much that they can do (aside presumably from voluntarily withdrawing) - it's more the fact that the RFU have put them where they are that's causing the problems.. 

And yes, you'd expect it to knock on down the divisions between now and January as everyone does shotgun reshuffles.

No problem with clubs picking up recognised talent from the lower levels in 1s and 2s (even 2 weeks or whatever before the season starts) - you'd be mad to stand in the way of a player's chance to better himself, injuries happen, you get a sudden cash injection or whatever. 

It's happened to Mose before that individual players have gone at short notice, and I'm pretty sure we've had the odd last minute squad addition that has presumably left another club's plans in the lurch close to the beginning of the season. That, for better or worse, is life. 

It's the fact that they're shopping for a whole squad with that sort of notice that is pretty well unprecedented and causing the ructions.


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Originally posted by billesleyexile billesleyexile wrote:

Originally posted by Big Eddie Big Eddie wrote:

Originally posted by The Joy of (Level) 7 The Joy of (Level) 7 wrote:

On the player recruitment front I’m not entirely sure what else Leeds are meant to do?

It’s inconceivable that the RFU, in granting them their Championship place for 2019/20, couldn’t foresee them poaching from L3/4 to add to the DRs/loans.

Of course the RFU foresaw that likelihood but as they do not care at all for anything below level 2 this was a none issue in the eyes of the RFU

I think you're crediting them with too much interest in level 2 there BE - surely the whole problem is that they *don't* care full stop?

In answer to TJoL7's question, given they are where they are there's not much that they can do (aside presumably from voluntarily withdrawing) - it's more the fact that the RFU have put them where they are that's causing the problems.. 

And yes, you'd expect it to knock on down the divisions between now and January as everyone does shotgun reshuffles.

Agreed!
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Yes it's the scale of the whole thing that's so disruptive and just shouldn't be happening.
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And just what income streams are they likely to get?
Attendance was poor before. I suspect one man and his dog this coming season.
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So what is Leeds squad at present? How many players do they have?
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Help ! Can someone tell me about the licensing application to use Heasingly rugby ground as a concert venue for 100,000 and  objections that local residents are already subject to tremendous noise levels and traffic issues when rugby matches take place. Now, is that a fact despite remarks on here that the YC matches attract few!
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