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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote castleparknight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jun 2019 at 09:51
Originally posted by greeneyed greeneyed wrote:

Brizzer says that Leeds have 'great fans'. While I am sure that is true, like every other Championship club, not nearly enough of them to meet their outgoings.
The Championship is broken.

Who broke it? And when? 

Great statement with no corroboration - it does have issues, sure, but I think it goes further than just the Championship. Look around you, and the clubs that are falling into oblivion is that not a sign of what is happening to Rugby across the board? Your club for example was a strong National 1 Team not that many years ago - now fighting to stay out of Nat 3 (a sad state of affairs although last season slightly better showing). Lets be honest it is the system (nee RFU) that is broken - are they not here to look after Rugby Football Union in the country as a whole?


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote fenboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jun 2019 at 09:55
One of my biggest issue with Carnegie was that for too long it was run as a franchise, not a club. There used to be a good club atmosphere, but this was steadily eroded until IMHO the matchday 'experience' just became an exercise to extract as much money out of the punters as possible. That and having the Rhinos rammed in your face at every opportunity.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pappashanga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jun 2019 at 09:59
Surely the biggest mistake was that expensive ground. Also didn’t they lose an enormous subsidy from Carnegie university?
The picture that emerges is of ambition which overreached resources, just like LW.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote fenboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jun 2019 at 10:04
Once Caddick withdrew his support Leeds very much followed the LW financial model. The namechange from Leeds to Yorkshire picked up a sponsorship from a Bradford-based payday loans company, but I think that was the only effect financially.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote castleparknight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jun 2019 at 10:51
Originally posted by Pappashanga Pappashanga wrote:

Surely the biggest mistake was that expensive ground. Also didn’t they lose an enormous subsidy from Carnegie university?
The picture that emerges is of ambition which overreached resources, just like LW.

I think that was £1 million / annum that they got from the University - I guess that would have hurt when it stopped.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tulip Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jun 2019 at 09:39
Leeds board of directors just issued a statement about 30 minutes
ago. I can’t get link though.
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https://twitter.com/carnegierugby/status/1138718679481421825?s=19
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Tykester Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jun 2019 at 10:15
No players & no coach. It should be easy to break even.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote castleparknight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jun 2019 at 10:59
I am intrigued how Yorkshire Carnegie will be able to field a team that can be competitive started off from their current position - as The Tykester stated "No players & no coach". Unless this is going to be a sham to keep them in the league with no relegation next season. I don't know where they can recruit a squad this late in the year, have they got prem clubs lining up to loan them players for the season or will they have to scratch a team up from somewhere on a penny and brass tack budget? Will player safety become an issue if they use a lot of Leads Uni players and Academy boys?

Worrying times not only for Yorkshire Carnegie but for the game as a whole.
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Isn't the key bit that they hope creditors will agree to the CVA? What if they don't?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote castleparknight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jun 2019 at 11:07
True - assuming that is agreed then.....although at least three of the overseas players want what was contracted so not sure how much that is and they might have to agree too.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote corporalcarrot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jun 2019 at 11:14
I hope it works out for them imo rugby needs a team in a big City like Leeds to play in the upper levels of the game. I hold the same view on Birmingham & Plymouth so howay Mose & Albion.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote castleparknight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jun 2019 at 11:23
There is another club slightly south east of Leeds that could service those needs of the Yorkshire rugby supporters (wanting big time rugby) as well as the Lincolnshire needs and is surrounded by a very good motorway and rail network for ease of access etc. so I don't see it as a necessity for Leeds to be the epicenter 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pappashanga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jun 2019 at 12:10
I really don’t understand how this is going to work. Does this mean any club can be insolvent if a CVA is agreed and carry on trading? Also where are next season’s team going to come from? They obviously can’t afford to buy a team off the peg so do they really expect to recruit sufficient part time players by September? There is no way such a collection of people would be able to compete. It all smacks of fantasy to me.
I await the next instalment of the saga.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jun 2019 at 12:12
Proposing a CVA does not mean it will be accepted, as Sir Philip Green is discovering.
Though it sounds like he may get his ammended agreements through today.

If 25% or more of the creditors, by value, object the CVA fails and the insolvent company usually goes into administration.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote castleparknight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jun 2019 at 12:43
Originally posted by the jackal the jackal wrote:

sKiwifruithorpe?

Just a bit north of that towards the Start of the M180
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bigmal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jun 2019 at 15:04
Whilst I accept that Yorkshire was a stronghold of rugby in the early days and has a long and proud history I think that I am right in stating that the county never had a clear leader in terms of support. " Big" teams such as Leicester, Bristol, Gloucester, Coventry etc never emerged despite the size of the county and even those that were better known ( Wakefield, Roundhay, Headingly, Harrogate, Bradford etc) have suffered badly especially since the onset of the professional era.

I agree that Yorks deserves a club playing at Premiership level but I'm afraid that this scenario is unlikely as no one club appears to have the catchment area to survive. Here in the SW the clubs have a long and accepted tradition of being the top of the pyramid and a loyal and sizeable following in an area where football although played shares top billing. In fact Leeds was ( and indeed is) the obvious candidate in location/potential terms but for whatever reason no one club has emerged.

There is,of course, an argument for the Premiership Clubs thinking outside their self created bubble and accepting that a league contaning 14 teams representing the whole of the country makes sense in terms of expanding the game at all levels . Should they be collectively supporting teams situated in the SW,SE, London, E Midlands , W Midlands , NW and NE rather than seeking to maintain the status quo?

What I am certain of is that a contrived team with no history and no local connection ( or soul in emotive terms is unlikely to succeed.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Rothman2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jun 2019 at 18:26
You seem to have forgotten someone, namely the first Yorkshire team to get to the Premier

What a short memory you have.

Anyway this subject is about Leeds. Having gone within an hour or so of extinction back in 2004 it is something I wouldn’t wish on any club, it is a sad state of affairs and I am sorry for all of their supporters.!

I hope a deal is sorted out to save them but my view is that professional rugby union beneath the Prem is not sustainable.



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