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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sid James Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jan 2018 at 21:59
Must win match between OA's & Hull I's on Saturday.
I know that OA's arrangement with Saracens finishes this season but just wondering how many DR's OA's may field this weekend.
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Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

Must win match between OA's & Hull I's on Saturday.
I know that OA's arrangement with Saracens finishes this season but just wondering how many DR's OA's may field this weekend.

My guess would 5/6 in the squad as they are at home.
Their website is quite good at previewing games and saying who's who, so have a look tomorrow I reckon.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote OldNick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jan 2018 at 22:35
I'm not sure how many they fielded last week at Coventry. The squad list for the programmer sent midweek contained seven (of 20) who Googling revealed as DRs. On they day there were two changes to the squad, and I have not checked up on them (not that I did the initial check).

OAs suffered a couple of early injuries which did nothing to help their cohesion, and their squad as a whole looked young.

This is very much a ten-point match for both teams. I would expect HI's experience to prevail.

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Originally posted by OldNick OldNick wrote:


This is very much a ten-point match for both teams. I would expect HI's experience to prevail.



Am sure our loathing of the D/R system would want you to prevail as well so best of luck.

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It makes you wonder at what point OAs decided to go down this route. I know we signed 3 of their players from last season but that was known about in Feb/Mar way before the end of season. 2 were already in place before the coach moved. Knowing Shanners a bit now I don't think he would have been happy relying on DRs to put out a team. Luffbra is a slightly different proposition as they probably would have enough bodies from the campus.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 11:20
Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Somewhere in here is the concept of recognising the club ethos underpinned by a huge team of volunteers, many of whom are former players.

It's great to see players go from Mini & Youth to Representative to higher things. What is not so good is to see them drift around on loan not knowing the name of the guy next to him in the scrum.

What's the situation in Women's rugby? Sounds like that's been f=uckd up after the latest premiership takeover .

Not sure at senior level at junior all in limbo this year - the U15's have club, then county (3 games pre Xmas) then nothing, The U18's have club, county (3 games pre xmas) then some new thing which is instead of the 4 divisions, they are centres of excellence run by tyrells premiership teams but meant to just be enhanced training with no games between the centers (maybe some tournaments where they mix and match to make equal teams). Even though trials for that are with a few weeks no one really seems to have nailed down what is happening - looks like rfu dissolved old system (club,  county, divisional, england) last year but the Tyrells teams didn't have time to get anything sorted until next year so this year is a stopgap weirdness.
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Fylde v Albion

Looking at this no DRs involved......


15 Alex Dolly; 14 Henry Hadfield, 13 Luke Fowden, 12 Connor Wilkinson, 11 Tom Carleton; 10 Greg Smith, 9 Greg Nicholls; 1 Dan Richardson, 2 Tom Burtonwood, 3 Adam Lewis, 4 Nick Ashcroft, 5 Olli Parkinson, 6 Matt Garrod, 7 Will Hopwood, 8 Ben Vernon.  

16 Mark Irving, 17 Ben Gregory, 18 Harlan Corrie, 19 Adam McCarthy, 20 Jake Foster.   

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Originally posted by Rabbie Burns Rabbie Burns wrote:

It makes you wonder at what point OAs decided to go down this route. I know we signed 3 of their players from last season but that was known about in Feb/Mar way before the end of season. 2 were already in place before the coach moved. Knowing Shanners a bit now I don't think he would have been happy relying on DRs to put out a team. Luffbra is a slightly different proposition as they probably would have enough bodies from the campus.
It's an interesting one because on the couple of occasions I've been to OAs their officials have always made a big deal about the strength of the club and players coming through their age groups, strength in depth etc. Is this now not the case? Has the DR links seen them take eye off the ball or is it just a case of present crop not quite up to National One standard?
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I often read these rants about Academy and DR rugby with a worrying sense of there being a North/South divide. Esher have had good relations with Harlequins for many years and have seen DR players flourish with us, usually on spells of at least 3 months if not whole seasons, and I've watched the Harlequins squad benefit from their Academy which has produced a lot of good players. 

Last summer I put together a list of those who had come to us from Quins and how many games they had played. Only 1 (Robbie Nairn) has played only 1 match and he got injured at Quins the following week. At the top of the list is Charlie Walker who played 37 matches over 3 seasons for us and still comes to watch us when not involved with Quins. We have had Joe Marler (12), Kylke Sinckler (9) and Jack Clifford (17) who have gone on to England and a further 22 players, who have averaged 10 matches with us. 

So there is evidence that the Academy system can work and that DR can help both Clubs involved, the players involved and the players around them. But this is London where there are more Clubs that are closer together. It seems to work at Newcastle where Tynedale and Blaydon work closely with Falcons (common factor to Falcons and Quins - Dean Richards) but it doesn't seem to work where Clubs, either Premiership or National 1 are wider spread.
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Would I be right in guessing that the various blank pictures in the Loughborough twitter feed of their team today would be Leicester Tigers DRs?
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At Birmingham Moseley this season the intention had been a link with Worcester but this has lapsed with the changes at Worcester.The following have made appearances:
Ben Howard.2
Andrew Kitchener.1.
Will Butler.3.
Huw Taylor.2.
Alex Hearle.2.
Afe Haisila Lokotui.2
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Hear! Hear! as an OA whilst its challenging for coaches there are many benefits for younger players and for the DR academy players and their clubs...

Over several seasons we've seen both young academy players from Saracens support us and the other way round players like Danny Cutmore and Nick Isiekwe have emerged from local schools in St Albans and zoomed through Saracens Academy to the 1st team. 

Some of commentary does not recognize not all 18 years olds will ultimately go on for as full professional career - we would hope to see a number return. 

Its a fortunate mix and I am sure motivates our younger Colts and ambitious older players seeking to improve.

I don't have all the stats as you do but this season has been a challenge as a number of regulars from the past few years made decisions to move on or retire , so yes we have need some help given N1 standards and recruitment plans continue to ensure the mix is healthy! Looking forward to today good luck to all!
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Don’t expect to have much continuity at OA next season. Any OA players with any ambition will have left after a season of being sidelined to help Saracens blood their academy players.
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Originally posted by OldNick OldNick wrote:

Don’t expect to have much continuity at OA next season. Any OA players with any ambition will have left after a season of being sidelined to help Saracens blood their academy players.

Alternately.... Expect to have much continuity at OA next season. OA players with sense will have seen  the benefits that the link with Saracens brought to the club and will have realised that their development was more than helped by the link. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sid James Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 22:08
Would have been nice to play OA's today but they decided to exploit what is left of their arrangement with Saracens and field 6 lads who probably had no idea who OA's were until the Saracens coach suggested they should have a run out for them.
I am not sure who is the home club of the current England U20's fly half but I hope he enjoyed his day.
Cannot see the point of trying to stay in a league that your Club cannot cope with, without assistance, but I will leave that OA's to explain.
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Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

Would have been nice to play OA's today but they decided to exploit what is left of their arrangement with Saracens and field 6 lads who probably had no idea who OA's were until the Saracens coach suggested they should have a run out for them.
I am not sure who is the home club of the current England U20's fly half but I hope he enjoyed his day.
Cannot see the point of trying to stay in a league that your Club cannot cope with, without assistance, but I will leave that OA's to explain.

100% agree Sid...................it is bonkers and does no credit to our game
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Just read TRP report on yesterday's match, no mention of any dual registrations.
At the end of the report it says "STAR MAN Max Mallins - Albanians"
No offence meant to Mr Mallins but I couldn't help but laugh.
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Yes we all know he is from Bishop Stortford.
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Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

Would have been nice to play OA's today but they decided to exploit what is left of their arrangement with Saracens and field 6 lads who probably had no idea who OA's were until the Saracens coach suggested they should have a run out for them.
I am not sure who is the home club of the current England U20's fly half but I hope he enjoyed his day.
Cannot see the point of trying to stay in a league that your Club cannot cope with, without assistance, but I will leave that OA's to explain.


People in glass houses and all that ...Clark v OEs on loan,scored 3, won the game, also got Man of the match.
Back at Doncaster now where he was before and has been ever since,he had one game on loan!
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Malins is in his third season with Old Albanian - and would have made more appearances if he had not been on England U20 duty. So while he started at Saffron Walden and moved to Bishop Stortford for most of his M&Y career, he not a new comer to Wollams Fields.
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