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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Guildfordblue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Sep 2018 at 11:54
Originally posted by Cannon Cannon wrote:

Originally posted by Rugby70 Rugby70 wrote:

There have been lots of Clubs that have crashed and burned, but in this particular league sides like Westcliff, Dorking, Sidcup and Guildford do not pay their squads. If you want to go further up the leagues then you will need deep pockets, but money in my opinion at this level and in lower leagues just loses the identity of the club and the whole ethos of playing for the badge.

Sorry Rugby70 but of the two Surrey clubs, Guildford are currently paying players and Dorking have historically always paid players - but I don’t believe they are currently.

Are we paying players? 

What proof of this do you have?

Intrigued to know how you know, and why you know more about my club than I do? 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote chiefwiggum1984 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Sep 2018 at 12:36

I have no problem with the teams who pay their players, but just be HONEST about it!!

It gets so boring with certain teams who preach this "holier than thou" attitude to payments. Its doesn't make your club any better or worse. 

People bring up the same teams on here when it comes to teams folding, East Grinstead etc, but they always seem extreme examples, and even then was the issue payments to players or infighting in the clubs between committees 

Paying can bring success and failure, just as much as not paying can bring success and failure. Coombe and Tring are good examples of that last season (pretty sure Tring don't pay!!)

Guildfordblue, 

Genuinely interested, someone of Peter Hodgkinsons quality not getting any form of payment? fair-play if he's not 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote chinese dave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Sep 2018 at 12:46
For those holier than thou posters, please remember that providing accommodation and employment is another form of financial reward, as long as teams are transparent and follow the RFU rules it's not an issue.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Starlord Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Sep 2018 at 12:51
Indeed....they are also be remunerated for being a 'coach' or 'grounds men' for example...
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Starlord Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Sep 2018 at 12:55
Further to the question, also genuinely interested, what about all the Harlequins players doubling up as coaches...I'm sure altruism isn't in the front of their minds....they must be receiving some sort financial rewards...??
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote WEvans Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Sep 2018 at 14:04
Originally posted by Starlord Starlord wrote:

Further to the question, also genuinely interested, what about all the Harlequins players doubling up as coaches...I'm sure altruism isn't in the front of their minds....they must be receiving some sort financial rewards...??

Or looking to their futures in coaching and keen to get some experience.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Guildfordblue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Sep 2018 at 15:50
Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Starlord Starlord wrote:

Further to the question, also genuinely interested, what about all the Harlequins players doubling up as coaches...I'm sure altruism isn't in the front of their minds....they must be receiving some sort financial rewards...??

Or looking to their futures in coaching and keen to get some experience.

No secret that our coaches are paid, the Quins duet of Ward and Sinckler have been around for a number of years and started with us in London 2... 

Hodge is infact a player coach, so will probably fall under the same bracket.  But i see him doing more coaching than playing.  

To quote 'Or looking to their futures in coaching and keen to get some experience.'  - I couldn't agree more in the case of Ward. 

I just love it when people brandish the paying players brush as a reason to put down or demise a team. 

Take your sour grapes elsewhere.  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Guildfordblue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Sep 2018 at 15:52
Originally posted by chinese dave chinese dave wrote:

For those holier than thou posters, please remember that providing accommodation and employment is another form of financial reward, as long as teams are transparent and follow the RFU rules it's not an issue.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cannon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Sep 2018 at 18:07
Originally posted by Guildfordblue Guildfordblue wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Starlord Starlord wrote:


Further to the question, also genuinely interested, what about all the Harlequins players doubling up as coaches...I'm sure altruism isn't in the front of their minds....they must be receiving some sort financial rewards...??


Or looking to their futures in coaching and keen to get some experience.


No secret that our coaches are paid, the Quins duet of Ward and Sinckler have been around for a number of years and started with us in London 2... 

Hodge is infact a player coach, so will probably fall under the same bracket.  But i see him doing more coaching than playing.  

To quote 'Or looking to their futures in coaching and keen to get some experience.'  - I couldn't agree more in the case of Ward. 

I just love it when people brandish the paying players brush as a reason to put down or demise a team. 

Take your sour grapes elsewhere.  
I have no issue with players being paid, whether a whole squad or particular individuals. With reference to Guildford I think the new regime appear to have got the club by the horns and are moving it towards a One Club set up.

My evidence is on one of our player being asked if they want to play Level 5 and being told their is benefits, that is paying in my books.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Guildfordblue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Sep 2018 at 22:36
Originally posted by Cannon Cannon wrote:

Originally posted by Guildfordblue Guildfordblue wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Starlord Starlord wrote:


Further to the question, also genuinely interested, what about all the Harlequins players doubling up as coaches...I'm sure altruism isn't in the front of their minds....they must be receiving some sort financial rewards...??


Or looking to their futures in coaching and keen to get some experience.


No secret that our coaches are paid, the Quins duet of Ward and Sinckler have been around for a number of years and started with us in London 2... 

Hodge is infact a player coach, so will probably fall under the same bracket.  But i see him doing more coaching than playing.  

To quote 'Or looking to their futures in coaching and keen to get some experience.'  - I couldn't agree more in the case of Ward. 

I just love it when people brandish the paying players brush as a reason to put down or demise a team. 

Take your sour grapes elsewhere.  
I have no issue with players being paid, whether a whole squad or particular individuals. With reference to Guildford I think the new regime appear to have got the club by the horns and are moving it towards a One Club set up.

My evidence is on one of our player being asked if they want to play Level 5 and being told their is benefits, that is paying in my books.


So you have some hearsay
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cannon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Sep 2018 at 22:47
Originally posted by Guildfordblue Guildfordblue wrote:

Originally posted by Cannon Cannon wrote:

Originally posted by Guildfordblue Guildfordblue wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Starlord Starlord wrote:


Further to the question, also genuinely interested, what about all the Harlequins players doubling up as coaches...I'm sure altruism isn't in the front of their minds....they must be receiving some sort financial rewards...??


Or looking to their futures in coaching and keen to get some experience.


No secret that our coaches are paid, the Quins duet of Ward and Sinckler have been around for a number of years and started with us in London 2... 

Hodge is infact a player coach, so will probably fall under the same bracket.  But i see him doing more coaching than playing.  

To quote 'Or looking to their futures in coaching and keen to get some experience.'  - I couldn't agree more in the case of Ward. 

I just love it when people brandish the paying players brush as a reason to put down or demise a team. 

Take your sour grapes elsewhere.  
I have no issue with players being paid, whether a whole squad or particular individuals. With reference to Guildford I think the new regime appear to have got the club by the horns and are moving it towards a One Club set up.

My evidence is on one of our player being asked if they want to play Level 5 and being told their is benefits, that is paying in my books.


So you have some hearsay

If fact is hearsay in your opinion, I have hearsay - but where I come from we call it fact!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kentish Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Sep 2018 at 09:42
On reading the Guildfords Chairmans Sept update on the website it states that despite progress they still have a signifcant financial deficit . So it would seem to be reckless to be paying players in that situation, but some of those player ( new No 6) openly approached more than one club that I know of (including my own) and payment for playing was a requirement to secure his services. Difficult to square the circle !! 
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In Preston there is a team called 'Grasshoppers'. We are not short of them in the South either.Wink
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3 games in, anyone got any revised top and bottom predictions?

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Originally posted by dummyH dummyH wrote:

3 games in, anyone got any revised top and bottom predictions?


Wimbledon
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TW / Westcliff?! 

Shelford
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DICKON Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Sep 2018 at 10:54
Kentish man - it doesnt follow that Gs are paying the player - it may simply mean he would move if he was paid. Our wing Tom Jeffery has joined Gs as he moved out that way and I know money was not involved, unlike other teams in the Prem to whom we have lost players in recent seasons.
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Originally posted by dummyH dummyH wrote:

3 games in, anyone got any revised top and bottom predictions?



My top/bottom 3 before the season was
Top 3
Hertford
Wimbledon
Tunbridge Wells

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Brentwood
CS
Bedford

I’ll stick with those for now, although a case can be made for swapping Tring for Hertford and maybe Shelford for one of the others. However it’s a long season where squad depth will be severely tested. Its Possible Wimbledon could run away with it, but the rest of the table will be very close in my opinion

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Wimbledon by a country mile
Tunbridge Wells will get the cheque book out and re-bolster
Westcliff - not a bad side, but have been lucky so far

Brentwood - not a bad side but can't scrumage
Shelford - Not looking good at all
Bedford Alt - Thought they would do better against CS.

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Originally posted by Rugby70 Rugby70 wrote:

Wimbledon by a country mile
Tunbridge Wells will get the cheque book out and re-bolster
Westcliff - not a bad side, but have been lucky so far

Brentwood - not a bad side but can't scrumage
Shelford - Not looking good at all
Bedford Alt - Thought they would do better against CS.



Interested why you think Westcliff have been lucky so far?
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Westcliff went 21-0 up in 15mins against Sidcup and were lucky to win 29-27. 

Edited by Rugby70 - 27 Sep 2018 at 07:55
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