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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sail By Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Aug 2020 at 15:11
Any chance of pointing us to the evidence of a second wave please?

All the scientific data that I see is that hospital admissions and deaths are flattening out.
Genuinely interested in where the stats are.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Aug 2020 at 11:53
Originally posted by Sail By Sail By wrote:

Any chance of pointing us to the evidence of a second wave please?

All the scientific data that I see is that hospital admissions and deaths are flattening out.
Genuinely interested in where the stats are.


Read the news on the Internet - a number of countries are already seeing a rise in cases, particularly amongst younger adults (lack of social distancing?) - this is why quarantine has been introduced for travellers from those countries.

Around 30 teenagers from Devon tested positive after returning from an organised trip abroad.

There are also a number of conurbations (mainly northern) where localised lockdown measures are in place.


Much as it would be nice to be true, complacency and sticking ones head in the sand is not going to make Covid disappear.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote WEvans Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Aug 2020 at 13:42
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Sail By Sail By wrote:

Any chance of pointing us to the evidence of a second wave please?

All the scientific data that I see is that hospital admissions and deaths are flattening out.
Genuinely interested in where the stats are.


Read the news on the Internet - a number of countries are already seeing a rise in cases, particularly amongst younger adults (lack of social distancing?) - this is why quarantine has been introduced for travellers from those countries.

Around 30 teenagers from Devon tested positive after returning from an organised trip abroad.

There are also a number of conurbations (mainly northern) where localised lockdown measures are in place.


Much as it would be nice to be true, complacency and sticking ones head in the sand is not going to make Covid disappear.

I would ask my very nice 60+ year old neighbours who returned from holiday in Spain on Wednesday what they think of that. But I can't as they are out.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sail By Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Aug 2020 at 13:51
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Sail By Sail By wrote:

Any chance of pointing us to the evidence of a second wave please?

All the scientific data that I see is that hospital admissions and deaths are flattening out.
Genuinely interested in where the stats are.


Read the news on the Internet - a number of countries are already seeing a rise in cases, particularly amongst younger adults (lack of social distancing?) - this is why quarantine has been introduced for travellers from those countries.

Around 30 teenagers from Devon tested positive after returning from an organised trip abroad.

There are also a number of conurbations (mainly northern) where localised lockdown measures are in place.


Much as it would be nice to be true, complacency and sticking ones head in the sand is not going to make Covid disappear.

So the science of a 2nd wave is what?

You quoted that some young kids tested positive, currently we see around 1200 positive cases a day and hospital admissions going down. We are seeing more cases as we are testing more frequently. Can you imagine the amount of positive tests that would have been registered when we saw the devastating 1200 deaths per day? At a death rate of less than 1% this would have been massive.

Yes we have to be careful but the positive cases are minimal to what was around in April.
Can I politely suggest that you look at actual stats and do not read the news on the internet.

As a scientist I follow stats not the media Wink
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Originally posted by Sail By Sail By wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Sail By Sail By wrote:

Any chance of pointing us to the evidence of a second wave please?

All the scientific data that I see is that hospital admissions and deaths are flattening out.
Genuinely interested in where the stats are.


Read the news on the Internet - a number of countries are already seeing a rise in cases, particularly amongst younger adults (lack of social distancing?) - this is why quarantine has been introduced for travellers from those countries.

Around 30 teenagers from Devon tested positive after returning from an organised trip abroad.

There are also a number of conurbations (mainly northern) where localised lockdown measures are in place.


Much as it would be nice to be true, complacency and sticking ones head in the sand is not going to make Covid disappear.


So the science of a 2nd wave is what?

You quoted that some young kids tested positive, currently we see around 1200 positive cases a day and hospital admissions going down. We are seeing more cases as we are testing more frequently. Can you imagine the amount of positive tests that would have been registered when we saw the devastating 1200 deaths per day? At a death rate of less than 1% this would have been massive.

Yes we have to be careful but the positive cases are minimal to what was around in April.
Can I politely suggest that you look at actual stats and do not read the news on the internet.

As a scientist I follow stats not the media Wink


So the fact that lots of countries are seeing infection increases is not a stat?

Agreed, at the moment we have not reached March/April levels but if people don't respect the virus it WILL accelerate again.

Can you tell me where I can get the stats (which anyone can bend to suit themselves - I am a mathematician) without using the Internet?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sail By Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Aug 2020 at 14:22
Only one place to go that is the information supplied by Public Health England to the .gov site

The real difference is the interpretation of these results.
There is always a positive and negative spin on the data....as you are probably aware I am on the positive side of what I am seeing.

The most significant data point for me was the end of May when we really started to come out of lock down and mix. Follow the graphs from there.

But overall we should not argue over this, we should be grateful that we are here to type / moan and agree that we are all missing our great game of rugby!
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Launceston Rugby Club is a venue for covid-19 testing. At the beginning, daily average was around 25-30, with some days lucky to get in to the teens.
Testing has skyrocketed in the past couple of weeks with this weeks daily average around 75-80 with a couple of days over 100. Many are coming up from Plymouth where there seems to have been an upsurge of cases in some of the larger firms.
Results usually by the following morning but I wish I could get the actual numbers of positive and negative results.
At least something is happening at the club!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Aug 2020 at 18:01
Originally posted by Sail By Sail By wrote:

Only one place to go that is the information supplied by Public Health England to the .gov site

The real difference is the interpretation of these results.
There is always a positive and negative spin on the data....as you are probably aware I am on the positive side of what I am seeing.

The most significant data point for me was the end of May when we really started to come out of lock down and mix. Follow the graphs from there.

But overall we should not argue over this, we should be grateful that we are here to type / moan and agree that we are all missing our great game of rugby!


Umm, isn't that on the Internet?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Aug 2020 at 18:03
Originally posted by Gopher72 Gopher72 wrote:

Launceston Rugby Club is a venue for covid-19 testing. At the beginning, daily average was around 25-30, with some days lucky to get in to the teens.
Testing has skyrocketed in the past couple of weeks with this weeks daily average around 75-80 with a couple of days over 100. Many are coming up from Plymouth where there seems to have been an upsurge of cases in some of the larger firms.
Results usually by the following morning but I wish I could get the actual numbers of positive and negative results.
At least something is happening at the club!


Plymouth is where the teenagers I referred to above came from - so they are the likely spreaders
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Word out from Yorkshire is that Bill Sweeney is pushing for November start up.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote PiffPaff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Aug 2020 at 08:02
Originally posted by Sail By Sail By wrote:

Word out from Yorkshire is that Bill Sweeney is pushing for November start up.

I doubt very much Mr Sweeney is pushing for anything other than ensuring he gets his current salary cut re-instated asap how do you expect a man to live on 300K a year?

Do not get your hopes up. The return to schools and the opening of large office complexes in the major towns and cities will have a big factor on how things go as we march in to autumn/winter. If the numbers  (r) go up, expect the possibility of R2R Stages being revoked i.e back to C from D. The RFU even state this in their latest release.


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1025 tests done last Thursday for the Premiership players and staff.
None came back positive.

We can spin data both ways.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PiffPaff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Aug 2020 at 19:17
Yep, and its costing each Prem Club about 9K a week to do it, testing that is - which is a compulsory order by the HM Gov to allow "elite" rugby to play.
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