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    Posted: 02 Oct 2020 at 16:12

National League clubs have been told they will receive an emergency grant to enable them to start the new season this weekend.

Officials have been in talks with the government over funding to help cover the losses incurred by a ban on fans. 

Last week the government scrapped plans for a partial return of spectators from 1 October.

The National League said it was hopeful a "critical financial support package" could be agreed.

National League North clubs said they did not want to begin playing without crowds, and there had been fears some would withdraw from the FA Cup to avoid triggering player contracts they could not afford to continue.

But on Tuesday clubs received an email from the league's chief executive Michael Tattersall telling them that the Department of Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) was "working at pace… to design a package of support that will give the National League the reassurance it needs".

"This will include grants to cover essential revenue lost from fans not returning on 1 October as planned."

Clubs were told "the government recognises the immediate pressure National League clubs are under in respect of starting their season and are committed to play resuming in a viable way".

The size of any grant is yet to be confirmed, but BBC Sport understands the league is hoping for around £2-3m per month.

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Yes! Confirmed on radio 4 this morning (by someone from Dagenham & Redbridge FC, I think) as £10,000,000 for the first 3 months.
Must be 'fair shares for all'! The missing crowds at National League football are very similar to those at Championship rugby.
Perhaps we should lobby our MPs, especially in places where rugby 'is at the heart of the community' as was stated as a reason why football had to be bailed out. Our MPs in Cornwall seem to fall particularly into the category of 'lobby-fodder'.
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Our opposition MP probably has never been near a rugby ground.
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Originally posted by newlynbucca newlynbucca wrote:

Yes! Confirmed on radio 4 this morning (by someone from Dagenham & Redbridge FC, I think) as £10,000,000 for the first 3 months.
Must be 'fair shares for all'! The missing crowds at National League football are very similar to those at Championship rugby.
Perhaps we should lobby our MPs, especially in places where rugby 'is at the heart of the community' as was stated as a reason why football had to be bailed out. Our MPs in Cornwall seem to fall particularly into the category of 'lobby-fodder'.


In my opinion the RFU have let things slide, surprise surprise, rugby is not getting a fair crack of the whip!
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Originally posted by newlynbucca newlynbucca wrote:

Yes! Confirmed on radio 4 this morning (by someone from Dagenham & Redbridge FC, I think) as £10,000,000 for the first 3 months.
Must be 'fair shares for all'! The missing crowds at National League football are very similar to those at Championship rugby.
Perhaps we should lobby our MPs, especially in places where rugby 'is at the heart of the community' as was stated as a reason why football had to be bailed out. Our MPs in Cornwall seem to fall particularly into the category of 'lobby-fodder'.
To be fair, it's not quite the same. 
There are indeed lots of similarities - but the key difference is that the footy were able to actually play.

This (just like it would be in Championship/Nat 1 I think?) would be a double edged sword. Actually playing means actually paying the players. If many of the players are on 'pay as you play' then it would increase losses for clubs - paying even more out without income from gates. 

I read up a bit on the above last weekend, and apart from a few wealthy clubs, the majority seemed to be 'very' part time. The few players that made a living out of football were no doubt taken off furlough (costing the clubs extra) and then the 'pay as you play' contracts had also to be fulfilled. 

Right now, I imagine that Championship/Nat 1 players are not costing clubs full wages. If we were due to play soon, then even more stress on the club coffers until this can be balanced by gate income. 
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Originally posted by kempstonblue kempstonblue wrote:

Our opposition MP probably has never been near a rugby ground.
I don't know anything about your own MP, but in my experience most MPs are in it for the right reasons. 

We (the general public) only see the high profile types who are portrayed as climbing the greasy pole for self serving reasons. The other 500+ seem pretty normal, hard working representatives of their constituents.

We get good support from our MP (who happens also to be in opposition but don't think this is a party political thing) and I'd be surprised if yours hasn't been involved in some way with Bedford Rugby - particularly if there are community activities/outreach from the club. 


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Originally posted by Bill Sley Bill Sley wrote:

Originally posted by kempstonblue kempstonblue wrote:

Our opposition MP probably has never been near a rugby ground.
I don't know anything about your own MP, but in my experience most MPs are in it for the right reasons. 

We (the general public) only see the high profile types who are portrayed as climbing the greasy pole for self serving reasons. The other 500+ seem pretty normal, hard working representatives of their constituents.

We get good support from our MP (who happens also to be in opposition but don't think this is a party political thing) and I'd be surprised if yours hasn't been involved in some way with Bedford Rugby - particularly if there are community activities/outreach from the club. 
I fully agree with this which accords with my own experience. The media and public seem to delight in focusing on the minority of examples of poor standards and disregard the overwhelming majority of cases where decent people try their best for their communities.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Oct 2020 at 09:40
I personally doubt that someone born and raised to adulthood in Pakistan would have been exposed to very much rugby TBH, so I doubt he'd be seen much at Goldington Road - or any other rugby ground.
Bill's response seems quite balanced on the matter though.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote WEvans Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2020 at 14:36
Originally posted by Bill Sley Bill Sley wrote:

Originally posted by newlynbucca newlynbucca wrote:

Yes! Confirmed on radio 4 this morning (by someone from Dagenham & Redbridge FC, I think) as £10,000,000 for the first 3 months.
Must be 'fair shares for all'! The missing crowds at National League football are very similar to those at Championship rugby.
Perhaps we should lobby our MPs, especially in places where rugby 'is at the heart of the community' as was stated as a reason why football had to be bailed out. Our MPs in Cornwall seem to fall particularly into the category of 'lobby-fodder'.
To be fair, it's not quite the same. 
There are indeed lots of similarities - but the key difference is that the footy were able to actually play.

This (just like it would be in Championship/Nat 1 I think?) would be a double edged sword. Actually playing means actually paying the players. If many of the players are on 'pay as you play' then it would increase losses for clubs - paying even more out without income from gates. 

I read up a bit on the above last weekend, and apart from a few wealthy clubs, the majority seemed to be 'very' part time. The few players that made a living out of football were no doubt taken off furlough (costing the clubs extra) and then the 'pay as you play' contracts had also to be fulfilled. 

Right now, I imagine that Championship/Nat 1 players are not costing clubs full wages. If we were due to play soon, then even more stress on the club coffers until this can be balanced by gate income. 

That's right Bill. In football many National League clubs only agreed to play their FA Cup ties last weekend after additional funding was agreed for their league as playing the cup ties signified the start of the season triggering the start of contract payments.
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The governemnt should tell the FA to enforce a 1% fee on all transfer fees to be used to support lower league football and then not give the lower league clubs any further money. 


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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

The governemnt should tell the FA to enforce a 1% fee on all transfer fees to be used to support lower league football and then not give the lower league clubs any further money. 





Football (and Rugby) clubs are companies - the governments support schemes are there for all companies (even ones which were almost bust anyway) so why shouldn't they use government money.

The government is holding the EPL to ransom - presumably with the threat of closing it down - however outside the top 6-8 EPL clubs, the rest are in a similar boat to the top half of the Championship.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Steve@Mose Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 2020 at 10:19
Potentially this is one of the reasons why there's very little/nil money available for team sports.
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