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    Posted: 03 Oct 2017 at 11:30
Reading through the Rugby Paper reports I was surprised to see the difference in support between North and South.
North had only 4 matches with Gates of 300or more eye catching was Stour top of table with only273. South however had 5 which included 4 over 400 and Taunton almost 700. When Redruth are home they normaly have crowds of 600 + Is it facilities that are different I know Stours are superb or do the folk up north have better things to do on Saturdays.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Remember Izal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Oct 2017 at 11:40
Great question.
 
I think the crowds turn up anywhere if you have a  good offering on and off the pitch. Some really rural clubs do well because they are the centre of the community but some town clubs surrounded by chimney pots really struggle. I have been to the majority of grounds in North 2 and Nat 1 but few in South but suspect that in many instances it may be due to the culture of rugby on your doorstep  coupled with the need to use the income to reinvest in the club. Others derive income from other means so it is not so important.
 
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Barum average a good 700 and was not that much less when we were in Nat 3 (now SW Premier). It has always been a rugby town. Even though the soccer team (which is right next door) have been fairly successful recently the gate is nowhere near that of the Rugby.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Loo fighters Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Oct 2017 at 12:38
Would it be too simple to say, rugby clubs in rugby areas. Be they traditional strongholds like the SW where rugger is a religion or based around long established clubs in the SE, Midlands & parts of the North, which also tend to have more independent/grammar schools, therefore having more interested. Clubs like Kendal & Kirby Lonsdale would average high hundreds & if the right team visit, like the local derby can see 1500. The Cumbrian farmers are traditionally rugbyists but also it's comes as no surprise Sedbergh school is only a few miles away.
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Was wondering on what basis attendance figures were compiled. Is it only paid attendance? Are free admittance children or dining visitors included? Often see reported attendance as a round number eg 400, 550 etc which possibly suggests attendances are being estimated? 
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I take everything in the Rugby Paper with a pinch of salt.  Do you all know how they "compile" those figures? They phone their "representative" at each host club about half an hour after the final whistle - it's usually a committee man etc. They ask him about the game, who's cored etc and then how many spectators were there, Simple....and the guy who speaks to them can say almost anything he wants within reason.
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Originally posted by French Connection French Connection wrote:

I take everything in the Rugby Paper with a pinch of salt.  Do you all know how they "compile" those figures? They phone their "representative" at each host club about half an hour after the final whistle - it's usually a committee man etc. They ask him about the game, who's cored etc and then how many spectators were there, Simple....and the guy who speaks to them can say almost anything he wants within reason.

I thought the Rugby Paper took the attendances from the official Match Card submitted to the NCA?
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Not National 2 but at one level lower the local derby between Kirkby Lonsdale and Kendal a couple of weeks ago reputedly had 2000 watching and at the inaugural game last weekend between Kendal and Preston Grasshoppers there were well over 1000 in attendance.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Old Hooker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Oct 2017 at 17:57
Many thank you for your comments. At Worthing and I think Dorking for example we issue wrist straps to show you have paid  for entry and therefore can purchase the drink of your choice at the bar this gives us accurate. numbers. We are a club in Mid Sussex with a large catchment area. I also appreciate prog revenue is a VAT cost against income!!
I am aware LIWG and Wimbledon have small crowds due to location , albeit surrounded by houses!!

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Hawks Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Oct 2017 at 19:38
I know at Henley this season we have gone computerised, you scan you membership card at the gate or if you have a match day ticket that is scanned to, so hopefully a much more accurate gate figures!!
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In some sports, probably including rugby, season ticket holders are assumed to have attended and that is a known figure.
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The attendance that goes on the match card that is submitted to the NCA is completed by the home club - often by the same person that the Rugby Paper speak to.  A club can effectively say what it wants.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Remember Izal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Oct 2017 at 12:02
Not a great idea to over state though.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bigmal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Oct 2017 at 14:54
They are impressive figures Hopper - I'll be interested to see how many are at Wilmslow v Port this Sat as to my mind it is the local derbies that attract the crowds at levels 4,5 and 6.

As an aside are any of he teams mentioned ( KL,LL and PG) able to increase the numbers on a regular basis  given their geographical location and population size?
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It has been known in the past for the attendance to be written on before the game when the initial team line-ups have been put down...
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Programme sales are free of VAT - gate charges are VATable. Clubs who constantly overstate attendance could well end up with a vist from the VAT man if their tax returns don't tally with the declared figures.
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May inflate to impress sponsors.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wigwam Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Oct 2017 at 17:56
And there was me just thinking it was money taken at the gate divided by the going rate for entrance.
At a certain club I knew of in the past the gate receipts had been counted entered in the books and was on its way to the bank before the end of the first half.
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Here at Kenilworth we are lucky to get 50 spectators to a home game and that includes one man and his dog.
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Try Hampshire 2 where your lucky if the dog turns up
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