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Originally posted by DICKON DICKON wrote:

They used to head to Esher in N1, but not sure how strong that link is now.

The link is still strong. We had 4 last season, Calum Waters (SH), Gabriel Ibitoye (Wing), Archie White (BR) and James Lang (FH/C). All made significant contributions last season. Between them they played 42 matches last season. 

Our Head Coach is Tom Williams, who is also a Harlequins Academy Coach.

Wimbledon have Shawn Renwick (ex-Esher) as a coach and player, as well as Nick Evans helping them last season. Rhys Morgan and Bryan Croke, their half-backs are both ex-Esher as well. I expect that a Quins player or two will be coaching them next season, that seems to be a model that Quins use. As to d/r players, they have used Worthing previously. Calum Waters was there before he came to Esher and last season Dino Lamb-Cona was at Worthing. It is possible that Worthing may miss out, although Waters and Lamb-Cona were Sussex-based. One or two of the 6 new Quins Academy players may go to Wimbledon, perhaps lock John Okafor who is a product of Quins Inner London project.
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Originally posted by Old Hooker Old Hooker wrote:

Surrey Ben. It will be interesting to see the fixture list before we pontificate on the new Clubs potential for a quick return whence they came.
Some easy (if there is such a thing) early fixtures for them may allow them to bed in and give confidence, some tough ones may have the opposite effect.
OH - notice that I said Wimbledon and Tonbridge Juddian had the "potential" to achieve more wins - I'm not saying that all, some or none at all will go straight back down. No-one can say anything that is not more than a guess until there's been around 10 games played.
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Originally posted by Welshie7 Welshie7 wrote:

Its called Google Smile
 Sergeant was also a DR with Marler who I thought was at Esher not Worthing. Must have been quite a front row with 3 Quins boys

Marler came to Esher in the Championship after a season at Worthing in N2S. Tom Sergeant was a Junior at Esher up to 18, then went to Exeter University after a gap year at Worthing. He is now at Richmond.
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Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Originally posted by Welshie7 Welshie7 wrote:

Its called Google Smile
 Sergeant was also a DR with Marler who I thought was at Esher not Worthing. Must have been quite a front row with 3 Quins boys

Marler came to Esher in the Championship after a season at Worthing in N2S. Tom Sergeant was a Junior at Esher up to 18, then went to Exeter University after a gap year at Worthing. He is now at Richmond.

Didn't he play for Esher in N1 too? I recall an article talking about the schooling that Blackheath's Des Brett gave him at the time.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Old and Cynical Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 May 2017 at 16:43
I see BSE have signed Kevin Maggs as part time DOR. Should make a useful team with Jon Clarke up in the wilds of Suffolk.
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Cinderford have signed:- James Elliott (Prop) from Birmingham Moseley, Jack Hayes (Centre) from Rotherham and Kai Little (Wing) from Hartpury 
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Originally posted by RedOrDead RedOrDead wrote:

Originally posted by DICKON DICKON wrote:

Wimbledon will need to replace 4 1s regulars who are heading onward and upward, including their very talented 10 who is heading to Aus.

Interesting, where are the other three heading? The task of replacing four players capable of playing at a higher level in order to stand still would suggest a struggle to move forwards.

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Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Originally posted by DICKON DICKON wrote:

They used to head to Esher in N1, but not sure how strong that link is now.


The link is still strong. We had 4 last season, Calum Waters (SH), Gabriel Ibitoye (Wing), Archie White (BR) and James Lang (FH/C). All made significant contributions last season. Between them they played 42 matches last season. 

Our Head Coach is Tom Williams, who is also a Harlequins Academy Coach.

Wimbledon have Shawn Renwick (ex-Esher) as a coach and player, as well as Nick Evans helping them last season. Rhys Morgan and Bryan Croke, their half-backs are both ex-Esher as well. I expect that a Quins player or two will be coaching them next season, that seems to be a model that Quins use. As to d/r players, they have used Worthing previously. Calum Waters was there before he came to Esher and last season Dino Lamb-Cona was at Worthing. It is possible that Worthing may miss out, although Waters and Lamb-Cona were Sussex-based. One or two of the 6 new Quins Academy players may go to Wimbledon, perhaps lock John Okafor who is a product of Quins Inner London project.


Calum Waters was a Worthing player who Quins then signed and moved him to Esher. Did he start many games last season at Esher?
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I would respectively suggest that The Quinn's players have been a bit hit and miss for Worthing in recent seasons. Merchant and South were consistent performers and Lamb was very good towards the end of last season, but we did not see enough of him due to a injury. Others have been a bit of a disappointment to be honest.
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Originally posted by DICKON DICKON wrote:

They used to head to Esher in N1, but not sure how strong that link is now.


The link is still strong. We had 4 last season, Calum Waters (SH), Gabriel Ibitoye (Wing), Archie White (BR) and James Lang (FH/C). All made significant contributions last season. Between them they played 42 matches last season. 

Our Head Coach is Tom Williams, who is also a Harlequins Academy Coach.

Wimbledon have Shawn Renwick (ex-Esher) as a coach and player, as well as Nick Evans helping them last season. Rhys Morgan and Bryan Croke, their half-backs are both ex-Esher as well. I expect that a Quins player or two will be coaching them next season, that seems to be a model that Quins use. As to d/r players, they have used Worthing previously. Calum Waters was there before he came to Esher and last season Dino Lamb-Cona was at Worthing. It is possible that Worthing may miss out, although Waters and Lamb-Cona were Sussex-based. One or two of the 6 new Quins Academy players may go to Wimbledon, perhaps lock John Okafor who is a product of Quins Inner London project.


Calum Waters was a Worthing player who Quins then signed and moved him to Esher. Did he start many games last season at Esher?
   

I think you know the answer Raider. In fairness he was up against two good seasoned scrummies at Esther, which in turn makes a nonsense if sending him there in the first place. I know Calum was less than impressed by the amount of game time he got.
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Wigwam, I had my suspicions but didn't know for sure.

Can't help thinking Callum would have been better served with another season at Worthing (possibly a selfish view?) but what do we know.

Seem to remember Jordan Burns having a similar experience at Rosslyn Pk a few years ago.
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Wigwam, I had my suspicions but didn't know for sure.

Can't help thinking Callum would have been better served with another season at Worthing (possibly a selfish view?) but what do we know.

Seem to remember Jordan Burns having a similar experience at Rosslyn Pk a few years ago.


It would be great if Calum did come back one day.
What happened Jordan ???
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I suspect London Irish will want to blood s few of their youngsters so perhaps Worthing could pick up one of their lads if the Quinn's conveyor belt is directed elsewhere ???
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Wouldn't LIWG be a more logical destination?
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[QUOTE=RedOrDead] Wouldn't LIWG be a more logical destination? [/QUOTE

As I understand it they are separate clubs. If that is indeed the case the restrictions on the amount of DR's the "amateurs" can take will be the same as it is for any other club, which I believe is 4 in the squad on match day ??? One would assume Irish have more than 4 academy players that they wish to put out for experience ???


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Wigwam/999/all.........I followed Calum's progress this year and it seemed to me that he got a fair few games, though mostly off of the bench......and seemed to score a few tries too.
As to our other ex-scrum-half, Jordan Burns.....he was I think, a regular starter at Bedford Blues this year, also scoring quite frequently.......Bedford also have (ex-Worthing) Piers O'Conor playing full back and a more tenuous Raiders connection, the Aussie Ben Adams in the back row.
Ben tried to join Raiders two years back but was told he was not needed (quite unbelievable).....and so rejected, went and played in the Cambridge title winning side.......thence to Bedford.  

I too would be pleased to see Calum back......he is a special talent in many respects, though i thought his decision making (run, pass or kick ?) was in need of some work.  Still very young though.

The Dorking lad, Will Crow, is now at RPark.......I wonder how he is doing ?  I thought that he was exceptional. 
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Bury St Edmunds have appointed Irish rugby legend Kevin Maggs as their new Pro-AM Rugby Director, on a part-time basis (local paper).

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Originally posted by Wigwam Wigwam wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

 

Calum Waters was a Worthing player who Quins then signed and moved him to Esher. Did he start many games last season at Esher?
   

I think you know the answer Raider. In fairness he was up against two good seasoned scrummies at Esther, which in turn makes a nonsense if sending him there in the first place. I know Calum was less than impressed by the amount of game time he got.

You know that? From where? Calum played the first two matches of the season but was then out injured from late September, returning in December, after which he was involved in every match. He started 7 times last season and came off the bench 9 times, he scored 5 tries in our last 6 matches, missing one week when he played fro Harlequins against Exeter. He was usually paired with Andy Garner, our first-choice scrum-half who has played over 100 matches for Esher but he is our only "seasoned scrummie".  

Calum has a new contract at Quins, which was touch and go while he was injured.


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Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Originally posted by Wigwam Wigwam wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

 

Calum Waters was a Worthing player who Quins then signed and moved him to Esher. Did he start many games last season at Esher?
   

I think you know the answer Raider. In fairness he was up against two good seasoned scrummies at Esther, which in turn makes a nonsense if sending him there in the first place. I know Calum was less than impressed by the amount of game time he got.


You know that? From where? Calum played the first two matches of the season but was then out injured from late September, returning in December, after which he was involved in every match. He started 7 times last season and came off the bench 9 times, he scored 5 tries in our last 6 matches, missing one week when he played fro Harlequins against Exeter. He was usually paired with Andy Garner, our first-choice scrum-half who has played over 100 matches for Esher but he is our only "seasoned scrummie".  

Calum has a new contract at Quins, which was touch and go while he was injured.



Thanks for the clarification, it is good to know that Callum played as much as he did.

I have to say rugby clubs in general are extremely poor at giving out information about injuries, likely return dates etc (I include our team in that)
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This thread seems to have veered off topic somewhat... At the end of the day, did Broadstreet move to N2S?
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