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In the top tier competition, players from level 3 down are eligible to take part, two of Cornwall's starters (including the try scorer) on Sunday played at level 8 for Penryn last season.

I'm not sure what effect if any the recent restructuring has had, but in previous years, in lower tiers of the competition, only players from level 5 and down are eligible, which obviously would bar Worthing players. I can't see any sense in this personally, it creates a false gap between the levels.

The timing is a function of playing in 16 team leagues.
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Originally posted by RedOrDead RedOrDead wrote:

In the top tier competition, players from level 3 down are eligible to take part, two of Cornwall's starters (including the try scorer) on Sunday played at level 8 for Penryn last season.

I'm not sure what effect if any the recent restructuring has had, but in previous years, in lower tiers of the competition, only players from level 5 and down are eligible, which obviously would bar Worthing players. I can't see any sense in this personally, it creates a false gap between the levels.

The timing is a function of playing in 16 team leagues.


As I have read the regulations, you are correct.

However, having been at the finals this year, it would appear either some teams Ignore the regulations or the regulations I saw are incorrect as several level 4 players were playing in the minor finals.

I agree with you, I posted last year that you cannot expect Sussex to climb up the leagues without their best players (especially now with the demise of East Grinstead). There should be a level playing field where all counties have the same qualification (I suggest anyone at level 3 down)

Interestingly, the Sussex game was the most exciting of the 4 games on Sunday - well worth getting there for the 10am kick-off. 29 each with Sussex losing 4-5 on tries.
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I'm sure one of our resident experts will clarify but........

Sussex played in the lower tier final. I understood only players from sides of level 5 or below were eligible for that competition ???
Hampshire played in the second tier final where I understand players from level three and below are eligible. Ironically two Worthing players turned out for them.
Presumably the top tier is level 3 and below also as RoD suggests ???

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cannon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 May 2017 at 23:24
Originally posted by Wigwam Wigwam wrote:

I'm sure one of our resident experts will clarify but........

Sussex played in the lower tier final. I understood only players from sides of level 5 or below were eligible for that competition ???
Hampshire played in the second tier final where I understand players from level three and below are eligible. Ironically two Worthing players turned out for them.
Presumably the top tier is level 3 and below also as RoD suggests ???


There was a Worthing playing for Surrey too.
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This all new to me but the regulation seems quite bizarre ?  I suppose that there must be a reason for forcing lower tier sides to select weaker sides than they otherwise could, but it eludes me ?  Can anyone explain the rationale behind this ?

Not only does it seem to create and maintain a false gap, but surely it detracts from the overall quality of the competition ?  

There might also be an issue of profile ?  My own very limited viewing of Sussex games has been in front of a tiny crowd.  I think it at least possible that if say, 6 or 7 Raiders players were on show, then a fair few Raiders fans might get behind their county ?  I would.
We get much bigger crowds watching our (excellent) colts side.
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The regulations were changed for this season. In previous years, to play in the old County Championship Shield (bottom level) players had to be from Level 5 and below.  The Bill Beaumont County Championship consisted of 2 divisions - 1 and 2 - and players could be selected from Level 3 and below. Now, all 3 levels are part of the same competition and Counties in all divisions can select from Level 3 and below. There will be promotion and relegation after next season. It's over a 2 year cycle as this is the start of a new structure.
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Thanks French Connection. In that case, either Sussex aren't interested in Worthing players or Worthing players aren't interested in Sussex! I guess Sussex could be showing faith in the players that have represented them over the past years, although that seems rather unfair to Worthing players - it's not as if they turned their backs on the county in previous years, the competition rules prevented them from playing.
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Originally posted by RedOrDead RedOrDead wrote:

Thanks French Connection. In that case, either Sussex aren't interested in Worthing players or Worthing players aren't interested in Sussex! I guess Sussex could be showing faith in the players that have represented them over the past years, although that seems rather unfair to Worthing players - it's not as if they turned their backs on the county in previous years, the competition rules prevented them from playing.


Or maybe the Sussex selectors were unaware that they could select Worthing players?
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by RedOrDead RedOrDead wrote:

Thanks French Connection. In that case, either Sussex aren't interested in Worthing players or Worthing players aren't interested in Sussex! I guess Sussex could be showing faith in the players that have represented them over the past years, although that seems rather unfair to Worthing players - it's not as if they turned their backs on the county in previous years, the competition rules prevented them from playing.


Or maybe the Sussex selectors were unaware that they could select Worthing players?

Possible, although that would be an impressive piece of collective bungling even by the standards most here hold CBs to.
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Yes, thanks for that French Connection, it seems that there was an issue but that it has been fixed.  the only unknown now is why first team Raiders were selected for both Surrey and Hampshire, but not for Sussex.  Could 999 be right ?  

It seems unlikely, but with no disrespect to those actually selected, you would have to suspect that a Sussex side replete with home grown Worthing players would be a more competitive outfit.  Also, the one Worthing player that was at HQ had played a few times at level 4 this year.......not sure how many........which would seem to infer the selectors were aware of the new rules ?

I will be interested to see what happens next year.  Perhaps my spectating season will be extended Tongue
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Interestingly, IMO sussex's best players on the day were the winger and 2 back rows who coincidently all played for Chichester (relegated from level5).

The blindside was impressive at the breakdown until he went off early with a hamstring injury?
The no 8 carried well and the left winger had several good runs.

The fly-half also kicked well for goal.

One can only wonder what might have resulted had the selectors picked some Raiders.
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Originally posted by RedOrDead RedOrDead wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by RedOrDead RedOrDead wrote:

Thanks French Connection. In that case, either Sussex aren't interested in Worthing players or Worthing players aren't interested in Sussex! I guess Sussex could be showing faith in the players that have represented them over the past years, although that seems rather unfair to Worthing players - it's not as if they turned their backs on the county in previous years, the competition rules prevented them from playing.


Or maybe the Sussex selectors were unaware that they could select Worthing players?

Possible, although that would be an impressive piece of collective bungling even by the standards most here hold CBs to.

Think you could be spot on ClapClapClap Same across a few CBs
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I have been surprised at the Devon team selection over several years now but rumour has it that a lot of the better players do not seem to be interested in playing for the county for some reason.

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The two Chinnor players in the Oxfordshire team played, I think, a total of two 1st XI matches this season. I think the Henley players were fringe or 2nd XI. Two ex-Chinnor players now playing for Banbury played though 
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Philadelphia flyer Philadelphia flyer wrote:

Crikey, written off in May. The welcome didn't last long


History says that there are often teams yo-yoking both between N1 and N2 and also between N2 and the ex-N3.

Obviously, there have been exceptions such as Hartpury, Bishops Stortford, OEs who have risen up the leagues.

Looking in the exN3LSE, there are recent exN2S sides sypuch as Shelford, Southend, Dorking who didn't challenge for promotion last season. Maybe they lost a lot of players, maybe there are new teams on the block who are recruiting well.

As I said earlier looking forward to visiting new grounds and welcome to any new visitors to Worthing.
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Several reasons why Shelford Southend and Dorking did not challenge for promotion in the year after relegation. IMO as a Dorking supporter, it was because we lost 3/4 of our star players to L3/L4 (aspiration), we had our captain retire to his new position as DOR, others moved  away for work reasons, and/or had reached a point in their playing careers and chose retirement. This created a vacuum/situation of club re-structuring and development of our very talented young youth players who were blooded last season and did very well. From our Nat2 side of 2015/16 only 2 or 3 players remained on a regular basis last season. Our DOR changed and needed time to establish himself (for the good) but the process of re-building takes time and my club is in a very good position right now and the future looks bright. Having said all that competition at L5 is still very high and the task is no easier. Under the circumstances our mid table finish last season was a very respectable one. I am under no illusions of the task that faces us on a return to L4, but the process is underway. I would be interested to hear from Southend and Shelford posters on their club positions.
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Originally posted by Darth Raider Darth Raider wrote:

Wigwam/999/all.........I followed Calum's progress this year and it seemed to me that he got a fair few games, though mostly off of the bench......and seemed to score a few tries too.
As to our other ex-scrum-half, Jordan Burns.....he was I think, a regular starter at Bedford Blues this year, also scoring quite frequently.......Bedford also have (ex-Worthing) Piers O'Conor playing full back and a more tenuous Raiders connection, the Aussie Ben Adams in the back row.
Ben tried to join Raiders two years back but was told he was not needed (quite unbelievable).....and so rejected, went and played in the Cambridge title winning side.......thence to Bedford.  

I too would be pleased to see Calum back......he is a special talent in many respects, though i thought his decision making (run, pass or kick ?) was in need of some work.  Still very young though.

The Dorking lad, Will Crow, is now at RPark.......I wonder how he is doing ?  I thought that he was exceptional. 
Darth.......Will Crow was one of our stars that we lost on being demoted. AFAIK he has been at Park as their 3rd choice 9 since then, and has had very little game time except off the bench, but a lot of time not in the matchday squad. He is often to be seen at DRFC with his old mates, but with a contract at Park I would be surprised if he came back to us.Cry
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