National League Rugby Discussion Forums Homepage
Forum Home Forum Home > League Rugby - www.leaguerugby.co.uk > National League 2
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - National 2 South status
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

IMPORTANT Remember to read the rules of the board and abide by them when posting.

National 2 South status

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 141516
Author
Message
Darth Raider View Drop Down
World Cup Winner
World Cup Winner


Joined: 12 Mar 2010
Location: Sussex
Status: Offline
Points: 917
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Darth Raider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Yesterday at 11:42
Thanks for the numbers Camquin......it is a continuing frustration to me how few people turn up to watch this great entertainment on a Saturday.  Perhaps the cahllenge of the next 5-10yrs is for our clubs to try and provide the same facilities as the round ball teams at the same level ?  I see no reason why we should not at least match their crowd numbers ?
Otherwise, I suppose Ampthill must generate a pretty significant revenue stream in other ways.....I guess they must be another team with lots of great sponsors ?  Best of luck to them.

I found the Nat2S/N playoff information Tongue  Yahoooo I hear you cry Wink 

It is every bit as biased as one might fear.

There have been 16 playoffs now between the two leagues.  The north have only won 4 of these and that stat is slightly weird, in that the 4yrs ago, the aforementioned Ampthill were the losing South representatives having been level transferred.......and then the winners as the North representatives the following year having been transferred back.  Bit of an identity crisis Shocked

But back to my original point......a continuation of this trend brings about the progressive depopulation of northern clubs from Nat1 (and therefore the Championship?).  Food for thought. But 12-4 it is with the Ampthill results the only positives for the north in the last 11yrs Ouch

Back to Top
BE57 REF View Drop Down
Academy player
Academy player
Avatar

Joined: 06 Apr 2012
Location: In the middle
Status: Offline
Points: 14
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BE57 REF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 hours 32 minutes ago at 21:58
Raider - you are not alone in expressing concern over the distressing state of northern club rugby. On one level, it reflects a wider national economic imbalance in favour of the South East but, in the specific context of National 1, more likely is a reflection of two specific factors - lack of Premiership support and lack of local sponsorship to support the c£250k playing budget which appears to be the minimum required to fund a decent National 1 team. With only Sale Sharks and Newcastle around from which to draw not only DRs but the coaching and infrastructure support that the Premiership can provide, Sale FC and Darlington Mowden Park seem to be the primary beneficiaries. And (cf general economic imbalance), there simply isn't the money around to allow northern clubs to compete with their M25 opposition. This is further compounded by youth depopulation as the graduate jobs are largely in the southeast, so most northern clubs lose talented youngsters to London on graduation - they can rarely find attractive graduate level jobs at home. My own local authority, Craven District Council in North Yorkshre, has 30% fewer people in the 16-34 age group than the national average distribution would suggest.
This is not just a "northern" issue - it also affects the southwest and particularly Cornwall where the largesse of Exeter Chiefs, largely focused on Plymouth, does not stretch, and the economic opportunities are similarly limited. A glance at the National 2 (Level 3 = National 1) table from 10 years ago shows how far and how fast the balance has swung - but, unless there is a radical realignment of the national economy, there is little reason to expect things to change:
NATIONAL TWO - 2007/2008
  p w d l f a pts
Otley 26 23 0 3 780 379 105
Manchester 26 21 0 5 803 461 104
Stourbridge 26 21 0 5 677 434 99
Blackheath 26 15 0 11 596 602 75
Westcombe 26 13 1 12 650 569 71
Cambridge 26 14 0 12 619 569 69
Wharfedale 26 12 1 13 600 559 67
Southend 26 12 0 14 666 620 66
Redruth 26 14 0 12 545 514 58
Blaydon 26 10 0 16 530 674 53
Waterloo 26 11 1 14 488 517 52
Nuneaton 26 6 0 20 456 747 32
Henley 26 6 1 19 333 617 31
Halifax 26 2 0 24 382 863 14
Just call me "Sir".
Back to Top
Darth Raider View Drop Down
World Cup Winner
World Cup Winner


Joined: 12 Mar 2010
Location: Sussex
Status: Offline
Points: 917
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Darth Raider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 hours 33 minutes ago at 22:57
Many thanks 'Sir'........I personally, really appreciate your well constructed response.  I agree with almost all you say.
Things are indeed tough at levels 3 and 4 and I personally, think that the powers that be could do a great deal more for club level rugby, for a multitude of reasons that  I won't go into now (but don't promise not to belabour in the near future Wink) . 

As you so accurately point out.....using the league table from ten(ish) years ago.....the majority of teams comprising level 3 at that time would have been labelled northern sides. There is clearly a dramatic transition in progress and I for one, worry about the possible level of this playing field.  

My personal opinion, laced with an (perhaps) inordinate level of optimism, is that we can ALL do a lot better at working towards a competitive financial state for our clubs.  We ARE now playing in an (at least) semi-professional environment and sad though it may seem to many of the Alickadoos still prevalent in club rugby, I think it would not be too costly or too difficult to make financial progress.  I think that this is the only way forward ?

I concede that this challenge....to generalise....becomes more difficult the further away you are from concentrated areas of population......so as per 'Sirs' comments......is more difficult oop north or in the south west.  That said....you could argue that clubs in these areas have less competition for players ?

For the greater part, we are all just as good as the quality of our volunteers......some are much better than others......best of luck to them all.....everyone is doing their best Big smile  
Back to Top
Rabbie Burns View Drop Down
World Cup Winner
World Cup Winner
Avatar

Joined: 18 Jul 2007
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 2156
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rabbie Burns Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 8 hours 54 minutes ago at 08:36
Interesting to note that only 2 teams are still in the division Blackheath and Cambridge although Cambridge did step down for a couple of years. Remember that season well.
So many Christians not enough Lions
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 141516
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 11.04
Copyright ©2001-2015 Web Wiz Ltd.