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    Posted: 05 Oct 2009 at 09:11
National Division Three Midlands
Team P W D L F A Diff B Pts Pts Adjust
Ampthill 5 4 0 1 191 71 120 3 19 0
Bromsgrove 5 4 0 1 129 175 -46 3 19 0
Hinckley 5 4 0 1 144 86 58 2 18 0
Luton 5 3 0 2 227 102 125 4 16 0
Longton 5 3 0 2 70 37 33 3 15 0
Hereford 5 3 0 2 135 121 14 2 14 0
Kenilworth 5 3 0 2 121 133 -12 2 14 0
Peterborough 5 2 0 3 119 116 3 2 10 0
Newport (Salop) 5 2 0 3 76 88 -12 2 10 0
South Leicester 5 2 0 3 73 94 -21 2 10 0
Kettering 5 2 1 2 68 89 -21 0 10 0
Malvern 5 1 1 3 68 95 -27 2 8 0
Luctonians 5 1 0 4 80 110 -30 3 7 0
Bedford Athletic 5 0 0 5 87 271 -184 2 2 0


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Oct 2009 at 09:15
That is taken from the RFU website.  My question is: why has Hinckley only got 2 bonus points?  I thought they got a try bonus away to Newport, another at home to Peterborough (and their match reports agree) plus a losing bp on Saturday at home to Ampthill.
 
Am I missing something?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Oct 2009 at 10:00

FixSec

The RFU web site does not correctly show bonus points until the match cards are received by the League Secretary and those results forwarded to the RFU, the LS is the judge of fact.

Until then all results on the RFU site are provisional

Assuming each clubs Stats officer completes their match statistics on line at Rugby Roundup Saturday Night/Sunday Morning then RRs table will be correct unless a club SO has made a cockup



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Oct 2009 at 11:42

So which is correct then - because if you add up the bp's recieved my some teams this season then the table is incorrect for example, shoulder Ampthill be on 20 pts???

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Oct 2009 at 14:16
Wesleyan, it is my belief that Ampthill should indeed be on 20 points.  I only picked on Hinckley because it is the difference between them being 2nd or 3rd in the table.
 
Fat Albert, thank you very much for the information.  I would, however, be wary of Rugby Round Up as they too make mistakes.  For example
is Sheffield Tigers v Penrith, National 3 North, 5th September and  
is Sheffield Tigers v West Hartlepool, 3rd October.
 
Sheffield scored 4 or more tries in each of these games, but RRU only shows one try bp on their table.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Oct 2009 at 14:22

Don't blame Rugby Roundup

It depends upon somebody at each club doing their job i.e. filing a match stats report which takes about 5 mins online 

if just one person or club can't be bothered then the whole league suffers from inaccuracy accordingly

that's why the RFU system uses a League Secretary processing match cards which are posted after the game. As an obvious consequence the RFU system is NEVER correct until several days after a game weekend

on the other hand, if people could be bothered, RR could be accurate within a couple of hours


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Oct 2009 at 14:25

I see, hopefully it will sort itself out in the coming weeks as the various clubs get used to recieving bonus points.

As is always the case with Mids 1 / Nat 3 Mids, it is a very tight league but it seems this season will be even closer as in the past there has always been 1 team who looked the strongest, ie Broadstreet, L'boro Students  etc. Thoughts?
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Oct 2009 at 14:39

It's still too early to judge, grounds are still bone dry and rock hard, some free scoring sides will find it much harder in the mud fests of December/January. Others are much weaker away from home due to key players simply not making themselves available for away games!

Injury crises will see big fluctuations as well, it's common at this level for there to be a decent 1stXVIII but once a side gets a half dozen or more injuries the players coming in are not of the same calibre!

I should wait until mid-November before drawing any real conclusions
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Oct 2009 at 19:28
I spent a couple of hours trying to fathom how the IRB Rankings system works, and apply it to National 3 Midlands, as someone has done for National 2 South.  Unfortunately, I came across negative numbers for the Ratings Gap for Week 4, and that produced errors, so I gave up.
The IRB Rankings system should be a firm indicator after 10 games have been played, maybe someone with a better grasp of how it works will be able to complete it in my stead.
Interesting you should mention the rock hard grounds, this has been affecting our team selection due to injuries sustained on hard surfaces, and although it rained horizontally at Longton last Saturday, the surface was still very hard.  BTW Longton should really put up some sign posts indicating where their brand new clubhouse actually is, we ended up at the entrance to a Pets @ Home distribution warehouse, and took an educated guess where the clubhouse and pitches might be.
I think the elevated pitches unfortunately lend themselves to some strong winds, driving rain, and arctic conditions depending on the weather; not an ideal kickers venue.

Ok, after bit of thought, I sat down and got the computer to do the maths, the result?  See the current IRB Rankings Table (?) in another thread I started.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2009 at 08:58
Originally posted by Fat Albert Fat Albert wrote:

Don't blame Rugby Roundup
Sorry, Fat Albert, was not so much trying to "blame" as "note of caution".
Originally posted by Fat Albert Fat Albert wrote:

It depends upon somebody at each club doing their job i.e. filing a match stats report which takes about 5 mins online 

if just one person or club can't be bothered then the whole league suffers from inaccuracy accordingly
True, and I fully agree.  But in the case I noted (Sheffield Tigers) it is RRU who are inconsistent.  The information RRU has got (the match reports) indicate that Sheffiled Tigers scored 4 or more tries in 2 games, but RRU's table only shows one try bp.  Cannot blame the clubs for that one.

Originally posted by Fat Albert Fat Albert wrote:

that's why the RFU system uses a League Secretary processing match cards which are posted after the game. As an obvious consequence the RFU system is NEVER correct until several days after a game weekend

on the other hand, if people could be bothered, RR could be accurate within a couple of hours
Fair enough, and an excellent explanation of why the RFU are not necessarily accurate.  Thank you for that.
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