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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Dec 2014 at 18:56
Leicester played very well and deserved their victory. This does not deter from the fact that it is completely unacceptable for a semi-professional side to lose to a bunch of amateurs.

Ampthill are too inconsistent at the moment - supporters on the board, rest assured that the management will be looking at ways to improve the squad during the 2 week Christmas break. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Dec 2014 at 20:06
So will the DOR (Paul turner) blame this defeat on his the players not available or because the cheque book can't find the winning thread, ask mr Murphy!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Dec 2014 at 20:23
Ampthill seemed to beaten by their own over confidence twice choosing not to kick at goal when they had penalties right in front of the post even though they were not winning at the time. They seemed to think that it was a formality that they would score by running the ball from the penalty and that they did not need to take the easy points on offer.

The only Ampthill player who seemed capable of changing the game was the bald headed centre who made numerous breaks which came to nothing due to lack of support. The Ampthill players looked stunned when the final whistle went and did not seem to believe that they could have lost.

This was easily the Lions best performance of the season which was made even better by the fact that they had to play a wing at scrum half although his passing from the scrum improved massively as the game went on.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Dec 2014 at 20:35
Originally posted by Eastern man Eastern man wrote:

So will the DOR (Paul turner) blame this defeat on his the players not available or because the cheque book can't find the winning thread, ask mr Murphy!

I really don't understand what your obsession is with Ampthill, Paul Turner, money or supposed loan players is.

Did us thrashing you really hurt that much?

Paul Turner is an excellent coach who has coached at a high level and we are lucky to have him, and he isn't DoR at Ampthill anyway, that would be Mark Lavery.

If you don't have players coming back to their mother club from academies higher up the food chain it can only be because you don't have a successful M&Y policy that turns out young players that professional clubs want to take on their schemes. 

Any club at the business end of N2 will have money at their disposal, that runs for Ionians as much as it does for Ampthill, to pay for coaches and other full time staff.

I will wait for the Ampthill reaction for the match to look at player availability this week, but I imagine it has more to do with the occasional off days we have between dealing out big defeats like the one suffered by Ionians.

So far we have "underperformed" against Chester, Cadly and Huddersfield as well as at Lions, and the game against Bees was closer than it looked on paper as well. We are a good club at this level but we aren't a class apart as Ionians appear to be, you must have a bigger cheque book than us.

I will post the Ampthill match report here when it comes in, I imagine it will be in tomorrow, as normal if a little tear stained.

I see our second team beat London Scottish seconds today though, which shows the sort of strength in depth we have and that we aren't going to be a flash in the pan at this level.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Dec 2014 at 20:48
Baggins we don't have any sort of MJ system we don't have a big cheque book and todate we have had one off day!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Dec 2014 at 20:48
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Dec 2014 at 20:49
Originally posted by Ex Coach Ex Coach wrote:

Ampthill seemed to beaten by their own over confidence twice choosing not to kick at goal when they had penalties right in front of the post even though they were not winning at the time. They seemed to think that it was a formality that they would score by running the ball from the penalty and that they did not need to take the easy points on offer.

To be fair to them that's just the game they play, I have lost count of the number of time they have had me gnawing my fist to to stop from screaming as they either kick for the corner instead of taking easy points or run the ball back from their own 22 instead of kicking the ball.

It was nearly their undoing against Caldy who should have beaten us at home and it was also there when we beat Bees in a game that was closer than it looked on paper.

But they have a way that they like to play the game and it is entertaining to watch and in the best spirit of the running game if a little frustrating for old props like me who like to see the ball sailing over our heads for touch 50m down the field.

But I understand them wanting to play the game the right way and I support them when it doesn't come off like today

Obviously at N1 level this approach would probably have us relegated before Christmas, so you have to wonder what the game plan would be should we ever get promoted.

Originally posted by Ex Coach Ex Coach wrote:

The only Ampthill player who seemed capable of changing the game was the bald headed centre who made numerous breaks which came to nothing due to lack of support. The Ampthill players looked stunned when the final whistle went and did not seem to believe that they could have lost.

They are a confident bunch of players and they do seem to believe they will win until the final whistle decides it.

I have seen them come back for a draw when 14 points down with less than 5 minutes to go at Bishop's Stortford, and against Caldy they didn't lose because they just didn't believe it could happen.

But occasionally it does happen as it did today and at Chester.

We really need the rest of you to step up to the mark and beat Ionians like we did now Smile


Originally posted by Ex Coach Ex Coach wrote:

This was easily the Lions best performance of the season which was made even better by the fact that they had to play a wing at scrum half although his passing from the scrum improved massively as the game went on.

Congratulations it must have taken a great effort from your boys to not only beat us but deny us a bonus point as well.

But don't think that the declining penalties and running everything was showing disrespect to the Lions, it is how they play everybody, they don't seem to have a plan B, thank goodness plan A is so entertaining and leads to us winning most of the time.

I look forward to reading the excuses from Ampthill  tomorrow LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Dec 2014 at 20:51
Originally posted by Eastern man Eastern man wrote:

Baggins we don't have any sort of MJ system we don't have a big cheque book and todate we have had one off day!

Blimey no M&Y where do you get your players from, poaching from better set up clubs?

Doesn't that need a cheque book or are their just not many alternatives for ambitious players in your area?

If we didn't grow our own we'd be way down the leagues 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Dec 2014 at 20:56
Originally posted by Shush Shush wrote:

Hard to pick a 'Man of the Match' from today's game, every Lion roared and performed excellently. The young Lions winger 'Luke Veeble' stepped in and played scrumhalf, he did a great job and won 'Dick of the Day' for his efforts. 'Try of the Day' must go to Lions blindside flanker  'Josh Poullet'  after receiving the ball from his outside centre he handed off the defending 13, then ran 30 metres to score under the posts. Ampthill were obviously missing their Tongans, pitchside talk was they must have all gone home for Christmas!

I think you'll find that is Tongan singular these days.

I don't think Moliatika plays any more as I have seen him come off the bench once this season early on.

Mai'asi hasn't played since early season either but I am not sure if that is also probable retirement or a recurrence of his injury.

The only Tongan who has turned out regularly this year is Hehea, and he has been absent for weeks now, I know not why.

Were Molitika and Mai'asi not pitchside today, they have always been there at the home games, perhaps Ampthill is an easier commute from Tonga than Leicester, the M1 is a bitch at the momentWink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Dec 2014 at 21:09
[QUOTE=AstonMartinLover]Leicester played very well and deserved their victory. This does not deter from the fact that it is completely unacceptable for a semi-professional side to lose to a bunch of amateurs

A couple of the Lions players were loan players from Nottingham and don't play every week for Lions, perhaps that will make it easier for you to swallow.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Dec 2014 at 21:23
Well done to the Lions.
To answer a few points, Hull I's have no DR's or loan players but we do have a very good M&J set up. The team today played with an over confidence that against a better side may have been our undoing. Fortunately, we came away with 5 pts without playing well.
Ampt's are obviously unhappy with the result but, they should look no further than themselves rather than trying to dish the competition.
We are quite happy at 8 pts clear. Merry Xmas everybody.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Dec 2014 at 21:42
Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

Well done to the Lions.
To answer a few points, Hull I's have no DR's or loan players but we do have a very good M&J set up. The team today played with an over confidence that against a better side may have been our undoing. Fortunately, we came away with 5 pts without playing well.
Ampt's are obviously unhappy with the result but, they should look no further than themselves rather than trying to dish the competition.
We are quite happy at 8 pts clear. Merry Xmas everybody.

Who exactly has dished the opposition?

Unless the well known sports car loving wind up merchant did it up thread and I missed it?

Of course Ampthill and their fans will be unhappy about losing to a mid table team, but it happens to all teams 

Well it happens to all sides apart from Ionians who appear a class apart bar their humbling at fortress Dillingham Park.

We are still well clear in 2nd. I expect more defeats to come, Caldy for one and probably Ionians as well, and if Lions really did get in a couple of players from Nottingham because we were in town then that really is a compliment to us.

But cracks have been showing over the last few weeks even putting 50+ past Broadstreet couldn't disguise the fact that they put 30+ past us.

Mid season wobbles, injuries and seasonal viruses only hopefully and back to normal service in the new year for the visit to Ionians.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Dec 2014 at 22:54
Another most enjoyable afternoon at Claro Rd. The word on the street is that Gate will be playing there until mid March.

Huddersfield were most welcome visitors both on and off the pitch. It was by no means an easy outing for Harrogate although in the end managed the full bag of five points despite several players away at a the wedding of a first team prop!

I see its Caldy away next so the winner will be the team who refrains from second helpings of Christmas pud.

Not wishing to get embroiled in the lack of form shown by Ampthill debate but it would make things tasty if second place in the league became a possibility for two or three other clubs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Dec 2014 at 07:49
Oh dear Baggins. Your comments are a little embarrassing.

Not a good performance from us today and Hull certainly did better than I expected. A little nsure how sustainable their new selection policy will be but good to see that the festive spirit is strong in the Doncasfer area.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Dec 2014 at 09:24
Baggins,
You 'dished the opposition' when you said the Hull I's team contains more DR/Loan players than Ampthill. Therefore, suggesting we may not be as good as our results suggest.
I can again confirm that Hull I's currently has no DR/Loan players. I could also confirm that yesterdays squad of 20 did include 9 who have passed through our M&J set up. The opposition had 1or 2 as well.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Dec 2014 at 10:38
Notice the Saturday evening match report is missing, is this the third time not here on sat evening?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Dec 2014 at 11:22
Originally posted by hit'em'ard hit'em'ard wrote:

......... but good to see that the festive spirit is strong in the Doncasfer area.

Would this be the same kind of Doncaster festive spirit that helped a certain East Yorkshire side to avoid relegation from N2N about 4 seasons ago?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Dec 2014 at 11:26
Any feed back from the caldy chester game sounded like a cracker
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Dec 2014 at 12:37
Originally posted by hit'em'ard hit'em'ard wrote:

Oh dear Baggins. Your comments are a little embarrassing.

Not a good performance from us today and Hull certainly did better than I expected. A little nsure how sustainable their new selection policy will be but good to see that the festive spirit is strong in the Doncasfer area.

In what way embarrassing, for you or for me?

I am just having a little fun with the giddy Ionians fans and reminding them who has bragging rights after your humbling at fortress Dillingham Park.

Bragging rights up until our inevitable defeat on Jan 24th that is.

On our current form I can't see us beating Caldy away either.

Anyway here, as promised, is the Ampthill view:

Amps travelled to Westleigh Park on a crisp, sunny winter day with a strong wind to find a rolled pitch which was sticky underfoot. A's squad saw 1 change in the pack, 4 in the backs and 3 on the bench with injury, illness and unavailability giving the side an unfamiliar look.

The visitors began well when right wing Lee Anker scored a fine solo try just 5 minutes in converted by fly half Joseph Tarrant.

However, there were already ominous signs that the Leicester tight five had the advantage at the scrummage and this proved to be crucial as, apart from 20 minutes around half time when the replacement props obtained parity, Ampthill's scrum went backwards, disrupting  much attacking ball and providing big territorial gains for the hosts.

Lions replied with a converted try on 13 minutes after a penalty at a scrum saw them kick inside Amps 22, the lineout was won, the maul set and driven over for their hooker to score and their fly half to convert.

At this stage the game was both even and a contrast in styles with A's moving the ball through the backs while hosts kept it tight. On 25 minutes the visitors retook the lead with an unconverted try from loose head prop Joseph Sproston who crashed over from short range after a 5m lineout.

The hosts replied with 2 penalty goals from their fly half, the first on 30 minutes from left of the posts after a long advantage from a ruck infringement had been allowed and the second the last kick of the half leaving the home side ahead 13-12 at oranges.

Having kept the score close playing against the wind while not taking 2 or 3 opportunities Ampthill would have looked forward to the second half, unfortunately two things happened, first the wind gradually dropped to practically nothing by the end of the game and secondly, an attack of give the-game-away-itis struck with Amps conceding 13 unforced turnovers in the second half.

Leicester took full advantage of being gifted possession and territory scoring two converted trys through their left wing, playing at scrum half who sniped from close range in the 50th minute and their outstanding blind side flanker who took advantage of some weak tackling to run behind the posts on 61 minutes.

Anker scored his second solo try on 66 minutes, breaking a tackle in mid-field and stepping the cover, converted by Tarrant but despite having chances a lack of composure from key players combined with the turnovers at crucial moments saw Lions keep their lead until the 80th minute when yet another penalty was conceded by A's which the home fly half converted off the post.

After a competitive first half Ampthill had a poor second half which saw a dominant Leicester pack turn the screw. Tactically naive with poor decision making, Amps, not for the first time this season lacked on field leadership. Back in September the reverse fixture saw A's win 66-7, 14 of the Ampthill squad that played in that game played today, just 8 Lions played in both games.

DoR Mark Lavery commented "We got what we deserved, Lions wanted it more. We all need to look in the mirror, the second half was a horror show!"




 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Dec 2014 at 12:49
Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

Baggins,
You 'dished the opposition' when you said the Hull I's team contains more DR/Loan players than Ampthill. Therefore, suggesting we may not be as good as our results suggest.
I can again confirm that Hull I's currently has no DR/Loan players. I could also confirm that yesterdays squad of 20 did include 9 who have passed through our M&J set up. The opposition had 1or 2 as well.

I did no such thing you have built a magnificent straw man argument there.

I was just pointing out the Ampthill do not have many DR or loan players, unless you want to count academy players that came through our M&Y. We have one DR that I know of - Duffin at SH, not a regular starter - and I suppose you could count Darren Dyer like that although he played for us last season before moving to Bedford.

Despite constant carping on this perceived fact from various Ionians, still obviously smarting from their humbling at Fortress Dillingham Park, neither side appears to rely heavily on DR players or temporary loans.

Both teams are settled and stable apart from the normal runs of illness and injury. 

You just made up the bit about me suggesting you are not as good as your results, you obviously are, you are like Hartpury College were in N2S last year - a class apart.

That makes our destruction of you at Fortress Dillingham Park all the more satisfying, we beat the obvious class act in this league, we didn't manage that against Hartpury.

There seems to be a lot of thin skin on Humberside, you'd think you would be a bit tougher than that what with all those strong North Sea winds.

You should be enjoying your success in running away with this league rather more and stop looking for slights where none exist, you should also rein in some of your fellow club men who seem to have an unhealthy obsession with Ampthill and trying to explain away our success at this level as if it was achieved in a way any different from the way you have achieved your success.


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