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Originally posted by MikeGC MikeGC wrote:

If you listen to the rumours then Stockport are allegedly paying players (again/still).
Manchester's Kiwi contingent allegedly have free lodgings and the use of a car.
I attended a lunch in North 1 West last season (I think) where the then Chairman pronounced in his post-lunch speech that players weren't paid. A number of us then saw the club secretary hand a player a "brown paper envelope" which looked suspiciously like a pay packet....

I guess, if you have the money and can find the right lads, it's up to the individual club.
I just wish we had the money !!
 

I can't comment on Port - maybe they'll give Carlisle a drubbing this week to support the rumour?

I  guess its all about ambition.
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Can Broughton Park keep their 7 match unbeaten run going and repeat the 52 - 5 drubbing they gave Birkenhead earlier in the season. Going to be tough but not impossible. The unbeaten run that is, not the 52 - 5 drubbing, that I think is impossible. I think it will be closer than folk think. Birkenhead after last week's loss at Stockport still think they are in with a chance of promotion and will be pushing for the 2nd spot hoping for a Blackburn slip up. If Broughton lose a couple of games they could be right back close to the relegation spot.

My uninformed guess at the other results:-

AnselmiansDouglas (I.O.M.)          Away
Birkenhead ParkBroughton Park             ????
BlackburnManchester                  Home
BurnageFirwood Waterloo         Home
NorthwichDe La Salle (Salford)   Home
StockportCarlisle                          Away
WarringtonPenrith                         Home

Just for fun here is a 'form' table for the last 6 games.

North One West Since 12 Jan 2019@02 Mar 2019
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PosTeamPldWonDrnLostForAgst+/-TBLBPts
1Blackburn6501205116896127
2Broughton Park642011763542022
3Northwich6501124114101021
4Birkenhead Park6402195108874020
5Carlisle6312144120243118
6Penrith6303145123223116
7Douglas (I.O.M.)630312211392115
8Manchester621312291313215
9Firwood Waterloo6204136141-52212
10Warrington6204130175-453112
11Stockport6204138163-253011
12Burnage6204130182-522111
13De La Salle (Salford)620467155-88109
14Anselmians610571182-111015



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MikeGC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Mar 2019 at 07:48
BP v BP I'd go for a home win, I think the heavy Birkenhead pitch will favour the home team despite the away team's great form.

I agree with your other predictions.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bigmal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Mar 2019 at 16:29
Let's hope he's right about Burnage's match eh Mike! If he isn't you could be in some trouble.
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Well, it’s been squeaky bum time at Varley Park for a while now.
We really need some new big lads up front but with 4 other clubs in our immediate vicinity, recruitment is proving to be really difficult.
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I'm a newbie to this forum, not to forums but this one which I found by happy accident. In another life I used to be a forum administrator. 

As a newbie can I presume to ask if folks have any thoughts about the Options X and Y that the folk tasked with looking at the North Structure have come up with and that clubs are asked to express an opinion on by March 18th?

It appears that Option X is without the Lancashire Exiles and Option Y is if the Lancashire clubs rejoin.

It would seem to have been designed for folk to vote for option X and exclude the Lancashire clubs or is that just my conspiracy theory? Some of the leagues at level 6 in option Y look a bit random particularly 'North Level 6 NE'. I can't see any club in the 'North Level 6 NE' league voting for option Y.
It also seems strange, if I understand correctly, that C_ckermouth are Level 6 in Option Y but Level 8 in Option X. A bit of a jump?

As a retired old fart I've got plenty of time to fool about with Google Maps and came up with a map showing the distribution of clubs for Option X and Y. It is at the link below. Only select one option otherwise both options show.


How do De La Salle, Burnage, Stockport and Altrincham Kersal feel about being in Level 6 South East in Option Y? 
I suppose that it does even up the travelling for all the leagues but at the expense of a good few local derbys.
Bowdon, Broughton Park, Manchester and Wilmslow although at the same level won't be playing clubs just minutes away in De La Salle, Burnage, Stockport and Altrincham Kersal.

P.S. I didn't realise that this forum censored posts. I'm not allowed to put 'C_ckermouth' it is replaced by 'Huckleberrymouth'! I quite like the name Huckleberrymouth. Big smile


Edited by Griffin - 15 Mar 2019 at 17:11
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Griffin, incorrect matey. Both Options would include the Lancs League Clubs if they wanted to come back, Confirmed by Jim Chapman to the Lancs. Hon Sec. and which circulated to Lancs Clubs yesterday by email. 

As for your other point, those Clubs will probably feel the same as some of the Lancs League Clubs who broke away for that very reason i.e passing other Clubs (mainly Cheshire ones just over the border) to travel to Cumbria in a 280 mile round trip for a game of Level 7 rugby.

if you want mileage proof try - 
Heaton Moor - Aspatria 139 miles
Aldwinians - Whitehaven 149 miles
Littleboro - Wigton 130 miles




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I for one, hope that the 20 Lancashire clubs who chose to go their own way, hold their nerve and stick to their guns next season - hopefully to be joined by four more clubs to create a meaningful 2 x 12 team competition.

Apart from a very few (minor) tweaks, these leagues have been a tremendous success, and I hope for more of the same next season.  

Sure, some of the venues have been slightly less 'exotic' in some cases, but there seems to be a real honesty and determination about the whole set-up, much like the feeling I had before (some) clubs discovered the word 'ambition' in the dictionary. 






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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Griffin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2019 at 15:03
I was just going off the documents which were sent out to clubs.

Click on the links below:-



The Lancashire League Clubs appear in red in Option Y but don't appear at all in Option X. If you know of later updated documents could you point me in their direction? It would be interesting to see where the Lancashire League Clubs have been fitted into Option X...


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I was always incredulous that Clubs year after year were prepared to travel up to Cumbria up to 7 times a year, sometimes passing other Lancashire clubs who were in the South Lancs & Cheshire league on the way. I was not at all surprised at the decision to break away. I did have a small part in confining the long distance travel to the beginning and end of the season by devising a fixture pattern for NLC where the local games were in the depths of winter and the long distances were at the beginning and end of the season.

The break away has had some effect in making the powers that be look seriously at the excessive travelling in some leagues.


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Originally posted by Griffin Griffin wrote:

I'm a newbie to this forum, not to forums but this one which I found by happy accident.

As a retired old fart I've got plenty of time to fool about with Google Maps and came up with a map showing the distribution of clubs for Option X and Y. It is at the link below. Only select one option otherwise both options show.




Here's a link to a map giving a fuller picture of all the clubs in the North.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?hl=en&mid=1tkEQbaJiNAQGG07gFZ-Yy7yqwlU&ll=54.3099383116416%2C-1.8812707816406373&z=9
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Originally posted by PiffPaff PiffPaff wrote:

Griffin, incorrect matey. Both Options would include the Lancs League Clubs if they wanted to come back, Confirmed by Jim Chapman to the Lancs. Hon Sec. and which circulated to Lancs Clubs yesterday by email. 

As for your other point, those Clubs will probably feel the same as some of the Lancs League Clubs who broke away for that very reason i.e passing other Clubs (mainly Cheshire ones just over the border) to travel to Cumbria in a 280 mile round trip for a game of Level 7 rugby.

if you want mileage proof try - 
Heaton Moor - Aspatria 139 miles
Aldwinians - Whitehaven 149 miles
Littleboro - Wigton 130 miles



It has also been confirmed by NOC, YRFU, and Jim himself apparently, that clubs can choose the status quo option.
The Yorkshire L6 clubs did not get invited to the meetings so to some, these possible changes are something of a surprise.
Now the cat is out of the bag regarding the RFU pulling/reducing travel funding is that not something clubs should have been made aware of?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PiffPaff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2019 at 16:36
T, I've seen the email from Jim and it states "status quo" not on the table. North DOC have no say until whatever shabby bag of washing is presented to them to implement, X or Y, and there is the other issue as soon as they dabbled in L6 they kind of went "off piste" and now have piste everyone at L6 off all over the North....should have stuck to sorting Level 7 and below.
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Originally posted by PiffPaff PiffPaff wrote:

T, I've seen the email from Jim and it states "status quo" not on the table. North DOC have no say until whatever shabby bag of washing is presented to them to implement, X or Y, and there is the other issue as soon as they dabbled in L6 they kind of went "off piste" and now have piste everyone at L6 off all over the North....should have stuck to sorting Level 7 and below.

It seems clubs are still being told different things then.


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Griffin,
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 If your club ever play against SKiwifruithorpe it would make interesting reading!!Wink
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Originally posted by Darth Vadar Darth Vadar wrote:

I for one, hope that the 20 Lancashire clubs who chose to go their own way, hold their nerve and stick to their guns next season - hopefully to be joined by four more clubs to create a meaningful 2 x 12 team competition.

Apart from a very few (minor) tweaks, these leagues have been a tremendous success, and I hope for more of the same next season.  

Sure, some of the venues have been slightly less 'exotic' in some cases, but there seems to be a real honesty and determination about the whole set-up, much like the feeling I had before (some) clubs discovered the word 'ambition' in the dictionary. 








What quantifies as success?

It can’t be having your last home game of the season on Saturday 2nd March.

I also see that the 5 fixtures in Div 1 saw 4 heavy drubbings and a walkover. I thought this was designed to prevent such nonsense
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Originally posted by Trident Trident wrote:

Originally posted by PiffPaff PiffPaff wrote:

T, I've seen the email from Jim and it states "status quo" not on the table. North DOC have no say until whatever shabby bag of washing is presented to them to implement, X or Y, and there is the other issue as soon as they dabbled in L6 they kind of went "off piste" and now have piste everyone at L6 off all over the North....should have stuck to sorting Level 7 and below.

It seems clubs are still being told different things then.




Yes, Lancashire are driving a particular agenda to try and justify a minority of clubs leaving the RFU structure last year. The agenda is no longer about the clubs but self justification.
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Originally posted by PiffPaff PiffPaff wrote:

North DOC have no say until whatever shabby bag of washing is presented to them to implement, X or Y.

Is this the same Option X and Y that was sent out to the clubs on the 22nd Feb or is it a new and later X and Y. If it is a new Option X and Y where the Option X includes the Lancashire League Clubs, could someone point to where these new documents can be found?

Are they still following the procedure and timetable set out in this letter to clubs?



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Originally posted by Darth Vadar Darth Vadar wrote:


Apart from a very few (minor) tweaks, these leagues have been a tremendous success, and I hope for more of the same next season. 

Would one of the tweaks be ordering the League Tables in the same way that the RFU leagues are ordered? That is League Points, then League Wins, then League Draws then Points Difference. They currently order on League Points then Points Difference.

Not that it matters too much. Or even at all. Big smile


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Originally posted by PiffPaff PiffPaff wrote:

if you want mileage proof try - 
Heaton Moor - Aspatria 139 miles
Aldwinians - Whitehaven 149 miles
Littleboro - Wigton 130 miles

The distances that you quote seem to be accurate. I have a fairly intimate knowledge of travelling distances. Here is a tool that I've used to to help place teams in the NOWIRUL leagues each season. Also to guess what the RFU might do regarding level transfer at the end of each season. Most travelling distances are there somewhere in one or other of the sheets.



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