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Originally posted by MikeGC MikeGC wrote:

Originally posted by Griffin Griffin wrote:

Originally posted by Sedge Tiger Sedge Tiger wrote:

Great effort BP and well done on a good return to this level

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Yes, after a dodgy start to the season the team improved throughout the season. All achieved without any payment whatsoever for anyone not even the Coach. Problem is, can we keep the players. One player already has been offered £200 per game to play for a team who finished below Park. Not the sort of money a young chap can turn down.

However, the other side of the coin, a player we had lost being paid by a North Premier team came back to play for nowt. Unfortunately he is going to New Zealand for a year.


£200 ?

Who on earth has that sort of money ?

We don’t pay lads to play but we do pay a couple of physios (one 1st XV one 2nd XV) and we pay our coach (I believe)


Certain club that is trying to recapture former standing from when they were the best in the land? Same club that is trying to fund raise to build own ground in partnership with local cricket club? Same club that recruited a promising young player from Level 4 club by throwing £175 a game at him? Yes at level 8 the madness begins and still didn’t get them promoted..
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Monkey Boy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Apr 2019 at 20:36
Originally posted by Hopping Mad Hopping Mad wrote:

Originally posted by MikeGC MikeGC wrote:

Originally posted by Griffin Griffin wrote:

Originally posted by Sedge Tiger Sedge Tiger wrote:

Great effort BP and well done on a good return to this level

All the best

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Yes, after a dodgy start to the season the team improved throughout the season. All achieved without any payment whatsoever for anyone not even the Coach. Problem is, can we keep the players. One player already has been offered £200 per game to play for a team who finished below Park. Not the sort of money a young chap can turn down.

However, the other side of the coin, a player we had lost being paid by a North Premier team came back to play for nowt. Unfortunately he is going to New Zealand for a year.


£200 ?

Who on earth has that sort of money ?

We don’t pay lads to play but we do pay a couple of physios (one 1st XV one 2nd XV) and we pay our coach (I believe)


Certain club that is trying to recapture former standing from when they were the best in the land? Same club that is trying to fund raise to build own ground in partnership with local cricket club? Same club that recruited a promising young player from Level 4 club by throwing £175 a game at him? Yes at level 8 the madness begins and still didn’t get them promoted..


Where are Orrell getting this money from?
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Can’t be Orrell, they have never been the best team in the land!
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Orrell finished 3rd to local rivals Aspull who went 20/20 this season...paying? Only need look at Anselmians, money guarantees nothing.
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Originally posted by The Joy of (Level) 7 The Joy of (Level) 7 wrote:

Can’t be Orrell, they have never been the best team in the land!


They were very, very close to holding that mantle and for most of the early years (Decade) of league rugby they were very much the ‘C.o.c.k of the North’

Without doubt one of the best clubs in the land for their time.

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Indeed, but if memory serves me correctly, they never managed to beat the best side in the land (often Bath) in games that really mattered. In those days that meant the Pilkington/John Player/Whatever Cup and despite home advantage on a number of occasions, Orrell couldn't quite cut it despite often fielding juggernaut packs. This would've been pre-Courage Leagues but I don't think they fared any better afterwards?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bigmal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Apr 2019 at 08:01
They played at a different level pre leagues though when Seabrook was coaching - and had a cracking 7's team in the days when April /September saw loads of sevens competitions.

It was a different world back then - and I wonder how Ampthill will fare assuming they go up given that not so long ago they were in N2. 
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Originally posted by Bigmal Bigmal wrote:

They played at a different level pre leagues though when Seabrook was coaching - and had a cracking 7's team in the days when April /September saw loads of sevens competitions.


Yes, I remember the Glengarth 7s when a Welsh Select team were pitted against Orrell. David Watkins was the star of the Welsh team and was signed by Salford soon after and the star for Orrell at least in the 7s game was Barry Fishwick. Cracking day out.

Just Googled 'Glengarth 7s' and that was 1967. Held at Davenport RFC, now Stockport.


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Originally posted by The Joy of (Level) 7 The Joy of (Level) 7 wrote:

, Orrell couldn't quite cut it despite often fielding juggernaut packs. This would've been pre-Courage Leagues but I don't think they fared any better afterwards?


JOL7

I take your point but a very creditable and very close league runners up spot to Bath was a massive ‘what if moment’ . All this being done whilst Sale and Waterloo stumbled out the top league. To put that effort into context it was only bettered by winners Newcastle in the late 90s and Sale in 2005.

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Originally posted by Griffin Griffin wrote:

Originally posted by Bigmal Bigmal wrote:

They played at a different level pre leagues though when Seabrook was coaching - and had a cracking 7's team in the days when April /September saw loads of sevens competitions.



Yes, I remember the Glengarth 7s when a Welsh Select team were pitted against Orrell. David Watkins was the star of the Welsh team and was signed by Salford soon after and the star for Orrell at least in the 7s game was Barry Fishwick. Cracking day out.

Just Googled 'Glengarth 7s' and that was 1967. Held at Davenport RFC, now Stockport.





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Just to throw in a few other Orrell names of that era - Billy Lyon, Sammy Southern, Dave Gullick, Peter Williams, Bob Kimmins, Dave Cleary, John Carleton, Simon Langford
They really were a force to be reckoned with 15's and 7's
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Halcyon days! For me, the era between formation of the leagues and formal professionalism was the most exciting time. National cup competitions where sides from lower levels could compete with, and beat the big boys, and County cup competitions that clubs cared about.

Now, where are those rose-tinted glasses............
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Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Originally posted by Griffin Griffin wrote:

Originally posted by Bigmal Bigmal wrote:

They played at a different level pre leagues though when Seabrook was coaching - and had a cracking 7's team in the days when April /September saw loads of sevens competitions.



Yes, I remember the Glengarth 7s when a Welsh Select team were pitted against Orrell. David Watkins was the star of the Welsh team and was signed by Salford soon after and the star for Orrell at least in the 7s game was Barry Fishwick. Cracking day out.

Just Googled 'Glengarth 7s' and that was 1967. Held at Davenport RFC, now Stockport.


I've probably got the programme 😉

But, as some Welsh bloke used to sing " I was there!" Smile
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Oggy, Oggy, Oggy!!!
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re Glengarth I was definitely there albeit I played for Macclesfield in those days. Pouring down with rain I remember and Watkins was outstanding .Interesting that posters on this thread in attendance as well.

Closely involved with tournament when I moved to Port and ran marquee bar for years. Some great players particularly Andy Irvine ( old school gent), Les Cusworth ,Phil Bennet, Elgin Rees et al. Quality stuff for a good cause. The much maligned David Bishop even bought me a pint and I found him excellent company during a short chat - those were the days when you rubbed shoulders with the greats.

I recall that Orrell  played all in black and strutted the stage with aplomb. They were excellent although not quite good enough when invited to participate in the Middlese 7's.Was Billy Lyon mentioned earlier?

Anyway enough of "Past Times" all the best to everyone in the play-offs and enjoy the summer break.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Apr 2019 at 16:49
Yes I mentioned Billy Lyon and I am pleased to report that he is currently El Presidente at the relatively newly re-formed Orrell
The beauty of that Orrell golden era was they they were almost all local lads (mind you I guess most players stayed loyal to their local club in those days)
Great to see Billy still involved in the game
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Originally posted by Bigmal Bigmal wrote:

re Glengarth Interesting that posters on this thread in attendance as well.

Yep! I am that old! I was a young chap of 24 at the time. Big smile
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Don't worry Griffin we're all old codgers on RM - its because we cant cope with Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat and all that mularky - so it's the only way we have of communicating or expressing an opinio!!😂😂
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And judging by the ongoing furore at the very top of the game the old codgers could well be proved right!
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