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Originally posted by CalderVale CalderVale wrote:

Which club is leaving norwirl?

Don't know.

I was told that one club was leaving for the Lancashire Leagues and another club is leaving the Lancashire Leagues to join the NOWIRUL leagues.
Another club is leaving the RFU leagues to join the NOWIRUL leagues.
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This year the Lancs leagues was two leagues of 10, next year they are looking at 2 leagues of 11, this suggests 2 new teams are joining.

They are still open until the end of May for teams to apply for next season
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Originally posted by Earl.gray Earl.gray wrote:

 
That club must have no ambition. And joining the lancs league instead of the rfu is because the club knows they’ll get a hiding every week in the rfu leagues.

There is a downside to ambition, or perhaps over ambition, as some clubs have found out to their cost. The income stream dries up or is drastically reduced and the club comes tumbling down the leagues or if the worst comes to the worst they go out of existence. There is little club loyalty with paid players.

Perhaps the club knows its own level and is joining a league which fits this level. Who wants a hiding every week? What can be wrong with that?

It is the nature of every league that some teams get a hiding every week, some teams win most weeks and some teams win some and lose some.


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Originally posted by Griffin Griffin wrote:

Originally posted by CalderVale CalderVale wrote:

Which club is leaving norwirl?

Don't know.

I was told that one club was leaving for the Lancashire Leagues and another club is leaving the Lancashire Leagues to join the NOWIRUL leagues.
Another club is leaving the RFU leagues to join the NOWIRUL leagues.
Taking a look at the teams that could leave (assuming a Lancs team is leaving NOWIRUL)  -

Colne & Nelson might choose to go across to the Lancs league having been promoted this year, Leyland Warriors probably can't fully commit to Lancs due to RL connections, but stranger things have happened. Chorley is an outside possibility. Could be St Edwards as they rebuild as a club?

From Lancs to NOWIRUL, one would assume it's Eagle or Clitheroe, having both had fairly torrid years. 

Leaving the RFU to head to NOWIRUL is a mixed bag - could be Prenton who seemed to evaporate as a club and took some beatings, but either them, Oxton or possible Newton Le Willows would be my guesses.

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One problem with clubs having a torrid time in the Lancs leagues and joining NOWIRUL is that you won't get kicked out of the Lancs leagues for missing a certain amount of fixtures, they are more flexible.

One team clubs who struggle to raise a team could find themselves kicked out of the league, which could pretty much see the end of the club.
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Originally posted by Griffin Griffin wrote:

Originally posted by Earl.gray Earl.gray wrote:

 
That club must have no ambition. And joining the lancs league instead of the rfu is because the club knows they’ll get a hiding every week in the rfu leagues.

There is a downside to ambition, or perhaps over ambition, as some clubs have found out to their cost. The income stream dries up or is drastically reduced and the club comes tumbling down the leagues or if the worst comes to the worst they go out of existence. There is little club loyalty with paid players.

Perhaps the club knows its own level and is joining a league which fits this level. Who wants a hiding every week? What can be wrong with that?

It is the nature of every league that some teams get a hiding every week, some teams win most weeks and some teams win some and lose some.
 
Griffin, I think you are applying a massive generalisation to the word "ambition" by intimating that all clubs with ambition pay players? I can also confirm that we have spent 2 separate stints in N1E and our revenue streams actually increased as clubs would come across to us and spend a whole day, not just leave without even entering the clubhouse which has been the case from a few NW teams over the past season!
 
I can speak on behalf of my club and can categorically say we do not pay any players, yet we retain huge ambition to play at the highest level we possibly can.
 
We played Blackburn in the final of the Lancashire Cup last Sunday and I am confident that 99% of people would confirm we did enough to win, but unfortunately it just got away from us and we went down 22-20.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PiffPaff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 May 2019 at 12:14
Welcome RC or is it Lenny? I see Aspatria pulled their Forum when someone posted an embarrassing question they didn't want to answer.
Anyhow, ambition as you say doesn't mean you pay players but those with "big" ambitions probably do. For most Clubs at Level 7 down ambition now is making sure you have a Club that plays every week.
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Originally posted by PiffPaff PiffPaff wrote:

Welcome RC or is it Lenny? I see Aspatria pulled their Forum when someone posted an embarrassing question they didn't want to answer.
Anyhow, ambition as you say doesn't mean you pay players but those with "big" ambitions probably do. For most Clubs at Level 7 down ambition now is making sure you have a Club that plays every week.
 
You are correct, that particular forum appears to have fallen in to a black hole.
 
I would agree with you to an extent, although I do still believe RFU League L7 teams in Lancs/Cheshire are doing pretty well - evidenced by the advances of a certain club who may have benefitted from Aspatria's gift to 2 of our players!
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Originally posted by Rochdale Cowboy Rochdale Cowboy wrote:

I can also confirm that we have spent 2 separate stints in N1E and our revenue streams actually increased as clubs would come across to us and spend a whole day, not just leave without even entering the clubhouse which has been the case from a few NW teams over the past season


I've been to visit you a couple of times and had a damned good time both before and after the game.
Long may it be this way, sociable and ambitious.
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Originally posted by Rochdale Cowboy Rochdale Cowboy wrote:

 
Griffin, I think you are applying a massive generalisation to the word "ambition" by intimating that all clubs with ambition pay players?

I did qualify it a bit by saying "Perhaps over ambition". Of course there are ambitious Clubs who don't pay players. I hope my club is one. Perhaps my comments were coloured by a former National 1 club who are now in North Premier after two relegations in 3 seasons?
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Originally posted by Griffin Griffin wrote:

Originally posted by Rochdale Cowboy Rochdale Cowboy wrote:

 
Griffin, I think you are applying a massive generalisation to the word "ambition" by intimating that all clubs with ambition pay players?

I did qualify it a bit by saying "Perhaps over ambition". Of course there are ambitious Clubs who don't pay players. I hope my club is one. Perhaps my comments were coloured by a former National 1 club who are now in North Premier after two relegations in 3 seasons?
 
Yes it's certainly a good example, as well as Blaydon who had successive relegations down to North Prem from National 1.
 
Some may say the club from Priory Park may want to focus any funds towards re-laying their main pitch prior to considering player recruitment!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CalderVale Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 May 2019 at 15:37
I think that is massive whatever level your at you support each others club ambition and make club days of it - and are socialable before - with a few alikadoes travelling and having a pint, then after with a pint or two. When I started it was defo one of main things kept me interested, how props could batter each other for 80 minutes then 'prop' bar up and discuss the pro and cons over many a pint, don't see that enough now. Been at level 6, 7 and 8 over 20 years and each year numbers reduce, people leave quick, let's get the social side just has important as ambition, with lads doing it for enjoyment, without cash!! what's gone on via Aspatria Forum?

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Has anyone heard anything further about a club having to transfer to N1E, yet ?
The deadline to volunteer was 10th May.
The rumour was that Stockport might volunteer.


Also, I see that on the RFU website the Northwich v De La Salle game (27th April) was postponed, presumably will not now be played.
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Jason Duffy new Dor at Bro pk, Great appointment. Thought he'd be busy on Saturday or has his roll at sedbergh changed?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MikeGC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 2019 at 07:59
LF - doesn't the DoR have more of an overview and a responsibility for looking at "new talent" and only has to turn up in time for kick off - with the coach having responsibility for Saturday afternoon ?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Griffin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 2019 at 09:16
Yes, I thought Jason would be busy at Sedbergh but apparently not. Great appointment. Jason started at Park when he was 8. If it wasn't for a serious injury which cut short his playing career he would have gone on to better things.

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Originally posted by MikeGC MikeGC wrote:

LF - doesn't the DoR have more of an overview and a responsibility for looking at "new talent" and only has to turn up in time for kick off - with the coach having responsibility for Saturday afternoon ?

I think that's the idea with Jason. Jason has a far reaching mandate to direct and bring together all levels of rugby, with an emphasis on player experience and long term sustainability of all teams under a one club umbrella.

Graham Higginbotham ex Sale with Paul Turner, is the 1st team coach. Graham also started at Park when he was 8.
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If that's the case it puts BP in a great position. Was really impressed with park this season, a core of good players & a few additions could see them at the sharp end next term.
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Is that the sharp end of N1E or N1W? 

A bit early to be making predictions LF - who knows what is going on elsewhere?
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