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Originally posted by Camp Freddie Camp Freddie wrote:

Who's next  Vadar ?

Dukinfield as of this morning.....
 
Out of interest Camp Freddie, how can Dukinfield (a Cheshire CB club) join the Lancashire Leagues?
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Cowboy, they applied, The ADM Committee discussed it and got the support of the ADM Clubs and so were allowed in.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rochdale Cowboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 May 2019 at 14:57
Originally posted by Camp Freddie Camp Freddie wrote:

Cowboy, they applied, The ADM Committee discussed it and got the support of the ADM Clubs and so were allowed in.

 
CF - I have just seen the news item confirming as such. My point was more a general one about a Cheshire club joining the "Lancashire Leagues" when one of the taglines of the original formation was "Lancashire Leagues for Lancashire Clubs" LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PiffPaff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 May 2019 at 15:23
RC, think its a case of a CB (Cheshire in this case) listening to the needs of their Clubs as did Lancashire last year. There is enough copy on these pages about how things are badly organised by the RFU and they need to change, Option X was simply a choice on the path of least resistance. It doesn't suit everyone. With Duky and Prenton leaving the ECC means a small sided (9 Team) league at the bottom end of LC
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We have just received a communication from Paul O’Leary RFU National Competitions Manager part of the communication says that

The league structure proposed by the Review Group will be implemented at the start of the 2019-20 season.  Fixtures will be released in June.

The structure he is talking about is in this document.

It appears that Kendal have moved across to the North 1 East....




Edited by Griffin - 30 May 2019 at 21:39
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Fait accompli eh ! How do people feel now?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TimesLikeThese Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 May 2019 at 23:47
Probably the same as before, but hopefully there's something to work with going forward. The biggest gripe for LC1 would probably by the trips to Cumbria, though given it is the only one, it's probably more bearable. If teams could do a trip to the Isle of Man up until Douglas' promotion then they could probably do Aspatria.

Interesting to note that the Lancashire Leagues have extended their application deadline...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PiffPaff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 May 2019 at 07:45
TLT, probably because other Clubs are now considering their positions as to why the ADM League have extended their Application to enter date.
 
Might only be one Cumbria side now, but could potentially be 3 season after next. Aspatria (avoid relegation), Keswick relegated from N1W, Penrith relegated N1W, promoted side from Cumbria 1, one Team would go to Cumbria 1 either Penrith or Keswick leaving 1 in LC1 with Aspatria and the whoever wins the playoff at Level 8. RFU have stuck a an absolute beauty of a "get-out" clause....
 
At the end of season 2019/20 the winners of Cumbria One will be
promoted into Durham/Northumberland One. The runners-up of
Cumbria One and Lancs/Cheshire Two will play-off for a second
promotion spot into Lancs/Cheshire One.
In subsequent seasons the direction of promotion will be varied to
ensure an even split of Cumbria clubs as between SL/C 1 and D/N 1. It
is not envisaged that more than 2 Cumbria clubs will be in either of
these leagues at any one time.
If there are more than 4 Cumbria clubs at Level 7 then Cumbria 1 will
be raised to Level 7 to include all Cumbria clubs

Personally I don't think many Cumbrian Clubs will be looking to get promoted in to the D/N side and in what world is ok to turn a Level 8 League magically into the next Level up???


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Griffin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 May 2019 at 10:41
It has been there for all to see in the Option X which was published a few months ago. The only minor alterations are for where they had guessed the promotions and relegations wrongly.

I suppose Aspatria must have been happy with their placement but the mileage they will have to do is a bit eye watering.

Aspatria's mileage in L&C 1
Anselmians RUFC155.5
Aspull RFC116.1
Bolton RUFC118.0
De La Salle (Salford) RUFC125.3
Eccles RFC125.7
Glossop RFC145.4
Leigh RUFC121.8
Manchester Rugby Club137.7
Rochdale RUFC134.2
Sefton RUFC136.1
Southport RFC127.3
Tarleton RFC112.9
Winnington Park RFC141.9
Total1698.1
Round trip3404.5


Edited by Griffin - 02 Jun 2019 at 14:05
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool." Richard Feynman. God = √-1.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote workerbee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 May 2019 at 10:49
It is not necessarily distance but where the club in relation to motorways which can affect the travel time. If a significant part of your Journey on A or B roads then it can make so much longer. Aspatria to Aspull  will be quite a journey.
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Originally posted by workerbee workerbee wrote:

It is not necessarily distance but where the club in relation to motorways which can affect the travel time. If a significant part of your Journey on A or B roads then it can make so much longer. Aspatria to Aspull  will be quite a journey.

I've always thought that the Level Transfer Regulations should be based on travelling time rather than just mileage. The Google software the RFU use will also give the travelling time, but I suppose the time depends on a few other factors as well, whereas the mileage is fixed.

Just for comparison here are the mileages to Durham & Northumberland 1.

Durham & Northumberland 1
Acklam RUFC107.5
Barnard Castle RUFC69.0
Consett RFC74.7
Gateshead Girls Rugby72.0
Hartlepool Rovers RFC111.0
Horden and Peterlee RFC101.2
Medicals RFC79.7
Middlesbrough College106.3
North Shields RFC85.4
Northern FC79.2
Novocastrians RFC80.8
South Shields Westoe RFC92.3
Stockton RFC99.5
Whitley Bay Rockcliff RFC86.7
Total1245.6
Round trip2497.9



Edited by Griffin - 02 Jun 2019 at 14:20
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool." Richard Feynman. God = √-1.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 May 2019 at 11:20
Heading to Lancashire they will get to Penrith and then head down the M6.
Which is easier than taking the A69 across to Tyneside.
I suspect the times would be closer.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Griffin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 May 2019 at 11:54
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Heading to Lancashire they will get to Penrith and then head down the M6.
Which is easier than taking the A69 across to Tyneside.
I suspect the times would be closer.
To answer your suspicions Smile

Aspatria's travel time in L&C1Aspatria's travel time in DN1
Anselmians RUFC158.1minsAcklam RUFC131.8mins
Aspull RFC124.6minsBarnard Castle RUFC87.5mins
Bolton RUFC127minsConsett RFC104.1mins
De La Salle (Salford) RUFC131.5minsGateshead Girls Rugby100.5mins
Eccles RFC128.9minsHartlepool Rovers RFC140.4mins
Glossop RFC154.4minsHorden and Peterlee RFC129.5mins
Leigh RUFC133.9minsMedicals RFC108.9mins
Manchester Rugby Club142.6minsMiddlesbrough College131.2mins
Rochdale RUFC140.8minsNorth Shields RFC118.4mins
Sefton RUFC143.5minsNorthern FC105.2mins
Southport RFC146.3minsNovocastrians RFC112.4mins
Tarleton RFC128.8minsSouth Shields Westoe RFC124.4mins
Winnington Park RFC150minsStockton RFC122.7mins
Whitley Bay Rockcliff RFC121.5mins
Total1810.4minsTotal1638.3mins
Round trip3631.3minsRound trip3276.6mins


Edited by Griffin - 02 Jun 2019 at 14:21
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Neasham Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 May 2019 at 12:31
Seems to have been awful lot of fake news on this level transfer from N1W mainly involving BP and Stockport who must have been having a good laugh. Seems obvious it would be Kendal one they got relegated and Penrith failed to volunteer.
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Originally posted by Neasham Neasham wrote:

Seems to have been awful lot of fake news on this level transfer from N1W mainly involving BP and Stockport who must have been having a good laugh. Seems obvious it would be Kendal one they got relegated and Penrith failed to volunteer.

Yep! If we had taken notice of the long published Option X where Kendal were shown as being level transferred it could have saved a lot of fruitless speculation and 'fake news'.

I assume that Kendal have seen the long published Option X and have agreed to it, because IMHO it does not seem to me to be an 'obvious' choice. Maybe other folk can point out the evidence for it being obvious? Smile

If they've chosen Kendal because they have the least increase in travel then that is an error because Keswick and Penrith have a lesser increase, with Penrith having the least increase.

<shrug>However, these decisions don't surprise me any more.</shrug>

In my defence I did write on our club website




Edited by Griffin - 31 May 2019 at 12:59
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I think you have to be careful when calculating travel times you need to ensure that it is based on the speed of a coach which is limited to 60 miles per hour and it will get held up on A roads as it is not easy to overtake. In addition the RFU mileages are calculated on the shortest route not the quickest. In one instance for our club the RFU route used a road that a coach was not allowed to travel and as a result the coach trip added a further 30 miles to the trip.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Griffin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 May 2019 at 13:59
I don't know whether it has always been the case but the latest RFU definition of the Lowest Total Mileage mentions the quickest route. Although how the Google Maps software works this out is anybodies guess?Confused
RFU definition of the Lowest Total Mileage.
"Lowest Total Mileage is calculated as the sum total of the single journeys in each direction as calculated by the Club Mileage Spreadsheet via Google Maps on default settings. This shall be the quickest route, as calculated by the Google Maps software, in each direction."

The Google Maps software will also work out the travelling time but again how it works this out is anybodies guess.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Griffin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 May 2019 at 14:09
Curioser and curiouser! More speculation and fake news!

I just messaged a contact at Kendal and he said:-

"My understanding is that Penrith will be in North 1 east and Kendal in North 1 west."

Oh what fun we have!

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bigmal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 May 2019 at 14:28
I'm not convinced that everyone was aware of the plan - as a Port man it suits me cos I can target derbies against Wilmslow or Burnage when I travel up.l did once think about Douglas but the away game was something like February so not that appealing!
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Mid winter flights can be a nightmare I remember once we were waiting on the tarmac at Liverpool airport for the wind to drop under 50 miles per hour so we could take off. There were a number of green faced players when we arrived on the Isle of Mann.
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