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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote workerbee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Aug 2019 at 10:29
Level 6 and 7 paying money in any form surely not. It is against the RFU regulations I assume that the clubs officers have signed the appropriate document to declare that no players gets and money or "Payment in Kind" If they do not than all RFU travel allowance and any other loans will be lost and if they have 4G pitch funded by the RFU they could lose and future funding and the pitch reverts to the cotrol of the RFU. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cannon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Aug 2019 at 11:13
Originally posted by workerbee workerbee wrote:

Level 6 and 7 paying money in any form surely not. It is against the RFU regulations I assume that the clubs officers have signed the appropriate document to declare that no players gets and money or "Payment in Kind" If they do not than all RFU travel allowance and any other loans will be lost and if they have 4G pitch funded by the RFU they could lose and future funding and the pitch reverts to the cotrol of the RFU. 

Workerbee many clubs can afford to opt out in the South or are getting around it like the old shamaeuter days! My club was relegated to Level 7 this season and we lost 6 players for the folding stuff. £100 a week to a 20ish yo makes a big difference.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote workerbee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Aug 2019 at 13:57
There is no way round making payments by giving employment based on playing for the Club, giving them accommodation, free beer tokens etc. If the club has signed the declaration that they do not make any payments of what ever kind to a player and the RFU found out (perhaps by a disgruntled club or member then they will be severely dealt with and of course any payment will be looked at by HMRC who can go back 7 years. I think a number of clubs below level 4 will need to ensure they are dealing with this properly not withstanding the loss of RFU money any cash payments will incur tax and NI otherwise they could get into deep financial trouble. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cannon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Aug 2019 at 15:45
Originally posted by workerbee workerbee wrote:

There is no way round making payments by giving employment based on playing for the Club, giving them accommodation, free beer tokens etc. If the club has signed the declaration that they do not make any payments of what ever kind to a player and the RFU found out (perhaps by a disgruntled club or member then they will be severely dealt with and of course any payment will be looked at by HMRC who can go back 7 years. I think a number of clubs below level 4 will need to ensure they are dealing with this properly not withstanding the loss of RFU money any cash payments will incur tax and NI otherwise they could get into deep financial trouble. 
 
The vast majority of clubs I refer to have opted out, we travel far less down here and rarely get travel support. The shamateur cubs are hard to prove as its all hearsay; 
- but why choose club A who are further away than club B; 
- how do you prove the players job is based on him playing rugby; 
- if the players wife is  a "secretary" for a company how do you prove its for the player to play at a club;
- how do you prove a recruiter has placed a player so they play at club A;
- how do you prove a rich benefactor has hired a player with the clubs knowledge if they want to do it off their own back?

But I totally appreciate that they are playing with fire. TBH I have not heard of cash payments at all recently!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MikeGC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Sep 2019 at 11:41
Hi everyone

As suggested a few weeks ago, I have started a thread for this season, located:-

http://www.rolling-maul.com/topic17742_post431182.html#431182

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Mike 47 pages of history and you dare to start afresh without a referendum
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